Indian Car Sales Figures and Analysis

anandpadhye · 11th December 2007, 14:45

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Grand Vitara sales are around 100. In a segment where 314 is the maximum, it cannot be called as 'flop'.

And Hyundai seems to be selling 10 or 11 every month in this segment (Tucson?)...

And considering Hyundai is really not selling Tucson, it's amazing that there are ~10 determined souls every month who snatch the car away from Hyundai

RakishRam · 11th December 2007, 19:11

Thanks Vasudeva.

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

3- series has a huge lead over the C-class.

Also, despite a small monthly decline in total figures, BMW for the first time seems to have overtaken Merc in total numbers.

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Fiat Palio Stile sales have become steady around the 230 units mark!

Apparently, Fiat is one of the three companies to register a +ve growth compared to October 2007

rangaraj · 11th December 2007, 22:38

The Honda Accord seems to be doing well despite talk of a new one round the corner..Clearly is the leader in this segment..Camry's are dropping in numbers..

pmbabu · 12th December 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

3. In mid size, all are down except MUL. This holds for month-on-month and year on year. Especially, Ford and HM are taking a severe beating.

Remember the thread titled Fiesta becoming the number 1 in mid-segment overtaking NHC?

ram_hyundai · 12th December 2007, 14:54

vasudeva-can we have the model wise details,like how much alto,wagon-r santro i10 etc.we can decide on specific models helping a manufacturer to earn the numbers.wr and estilo are fighting it out in the same segment.i10 and santro are dueling in that same segment.
ram

diabloo · 12th December 2007, 20:43

Why only Fiesta? There was Baleno, Elantra, Aveo, SRV, Verna, Logan & SX4 - all petrol but couldn't shake NHC. Then a slew of diesels with CRDI pumps, such as Fiesta, Verna, Logan were launched to counter NHC. But till now they have failed.
One last frontier for NHC - SX4 diesel (with Fiat multijet engine).
History tells that it doesn't matter for NHC. But lets wait & watch.

Note: Honda still have an ace up its sleeve - diesel NHC, Honda's CTDi technology. If Honda decides to bring it to India, others will be history

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Originally Posted by pmbabu

Remember the thread titled Fiesta becoming the number 1 in mid-segment overtaking NHC?

CrAzY dRiVeR · 12th December 2007, 20:58

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Originally Posted by diabloo

But till now they have failed.

This month NHC is down. I wouldn't be surprised if SX4 is leading by a margin!

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Originally Posted by diabloo

Honda still have an ace up its sleeve - diesel NHC, Honda's CTDi technology. If Honda decides to bring it to India, others will be history

Why don't they 'decide' on bringing it to India? And which diesel are you refering to, the 2.2L CTDi?

Raajiv · 13th December 2007, 09:49

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

This month NHC is down. I wouldn't be surprised if SX4 is leading by a margin!

Why don't they 'decide' on bringing it to India? And which diesel are you refering to, the 2.2L CTDi?

Crazy,

Honda Management will still say "Indian Diesel" is still not refined enough to match Honda's Engine.

vasudeva · 13th December 2007, 09:51

Whatever he is referring to, Honda has only 1 diesel that you referred to-2.2L-under any chances of being put on any car worldwide. That too around 2009. Whether that will be put in new City, Civic, or something else is pure speculation and too far away in the future.

NHC has still managed to thrive because of its FE and perceived quality, which the competition perhaps cannot match in either 1 or both aspects. But the 11/07 figures are low considering that it was Diwali. Unlike before, this time NHC faces competition from a carmaker (SX4/MUL) that Indians have experience of and are comfortable with. That has still not dented sales of NHC drastically, but who knows what happens in the next 6 months.

tsk1979 · 13th December 2007, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Raajiv

Crazy,

Honda Management will still say "Indian Diesel" is still not refined enough to match Honda's Engine.

I used to think they are jokers, but they are atleast technically correct. With all the talk of banning Diesel cars in Delhi, automobile manufacturers have stated they will be able to meet stringent emission standards if they get clean fuel.
This only proves it, currently the fuel quality is not good enough to have a clean diesel car in India.

Elito11 · 13th December 2007, 12:02

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

I used to think they are jokers, but they are atleast technically correct. With all the talk of banning Diesel cars in Delhi, automobile manufacturers have stated they will be able to meet stringent emission standards if they get clean fuel.
This only proves it, currently the fuel quality is not good enough to have a clean diesel car in India.

Yes it is true. Its like pushing for reforms from the bottom. Take the Team-BHP New car checklist for example. If more and more people start using them carmakers, dealers are gonna fcae the heat and it will result in more attention to detail, transportaion, storage etc from them.

Currently Oil is being transported in MS pipes throughout India. Diesal, petrol, kerosene etc are all transported via the SAME pipe.

Illustration

Refinery -> pumps x gallaon of petrol -> reaches distribution point at given time (they calculate the time it will take to reach lets say from Mathura to Lucknow)

Keeping a 'safe distance/time' (relative term - i do not know the exacts) the refinery may next pump in kerosene and then Diesal

As a rule they try and pump some kerosene between any two consignments of petrol and diesal to avoid a direct contact.

Pumps (pressure) fail, pipes burst..its a normal thing. At times fuels also come in contact. But most importantly during transportation Mixing happens.

Trust me even your favorite 'Pure for Sure' pump could recieve a bad batch transported through the pipes. What companies do is try and negate the cheating/mixing that happens after the oil is extracted at the distribution point from the pipes to the point it is delivered to the pump.

Hope this helps

Elito

ram_hyundai · 13th December 2007, 12:47

hey-on a sales base of 3000 cars there is a margin of 1000 cars means thats not a small job done.sx4 is leading NHC by 1000 units.and things are looking good for maruti this month also.
ram

varun.ppl · 13th December 2007, 19:22

GM medium & high end models showing positive percentages. Maybe,

The Limited Edition Aveo looks like it helped a bit.

Seeing a huge negative in tthe sales of Fiesta. Wat has happened.!!

anandpadhye · 14th December 2007, 11:10

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

I used to think they are jokers, but they are atleast technically correct. With all the talk of banning Diesel cars in Delhi, automobile manufacturers have stated they will be able to meet stringent emission standards if they get clean fuel.
This only proves it, currently the fuel quality is not good enough to have a clean diesel car in India.

yes, and I have read the reviews of Honda 2.2 liter diesel accord on www.whatcar.uk. They are amazing.

And just see this:

Honda (UK) - Hate Something Change Something

I think Honda are sincere when they say that our (Indian) diesel is useless.

tsk1979 · 14th December 2007, 11:23

Logan was supposed to blow the Indigo away, but it looks like Tata can't be blown away easily. After initial hype has died down, people have put their money on the indigo.
This means that there is still a great opportunity for someone to position an economical diesel in the sub 6 lakh space. I am betting on the swift sedan

11th December 2007, 22:38	#633
rangaraj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 570 Thanked: 10 Times	The Honda Accord seems to be doing well despite talk of a new one round the corner..Clearly is the leader in this segment..Camry's are dropping in numbers..
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12th December 2007, 14:54	#635
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	vasudeva-can we have the model wise details,like how much alto,wagon-r santro i10 etc.we can decide on specific models helping a manufacturer to earn the numbers.wr and estilo are fighting it out in the same segment.i10 and santro are dueling in that same segment. ram
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13th December 2007, 09:51	#639
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	Whatever he is referring to, Honda has only 1 diesel that you referred to-2.2L-under any chances of being put on any car worldwide. That too around 2009. Whether that will be put in new City, Civic, or something else is pure speculation and too far away in the future. NHC has still managed to thrive because of its FE and perceived quality, which the competition perhaps cannot match in either 1 or both aspects. But the 11/07 figures are low considering that it was Diwali. Unlike before, this time NHC faces competition from a carmaker (SX4/MUL) that Indians have experience of and are comfortable with. That has still not dented sales of NHC drastically, but who knows what happens in the next 6 months.
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13th December 2007, 12:47	#642
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	hey-on a sales base of 3000 cars there is a margin of 1000 cars means thats not a small job done.sx4 is leading NHC by 1000 units.and things are looking good for maruti this month also. ram
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13th December 2007, 19:22	#643
varun.ppl BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 160 Thanked: 225 Times	GM medium & high end models showing positive percentages. Maybe, The Limited Edition Aveo looks like it helped a bit. Seeing a huge negative in tthe sales of Fiesta. Wat has happened.!!
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14th December 2007, 11:23	#645
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Logan was supposed to blow the Indigo away, but it looks like Tata can't be blown away easily. After initial hype has died down, people have put their money on the indigo. This means that there is still a great opportunity for someone to position an economical diesel in the sub 6 lakh space. I am betting on the swift sedan
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