Scorpio Hybrid!

rangaraj · 30th January 2006, 08:35

Well this is from their website: (by default it goes to a 2004 scorpio!)
http://www.mahindrascorpio.com/scorpio2004/sitemap.asp

2.6 Litre Turbocharged Intercooled ,Common Rail Diesel Engine (BS III) Optional : Borg-Warner Electric 4WD System(7 Seater,BS II only)

In their autoexpo microwebsite, the hybrid is described as follows:
Powered by a CRDe and an electric transaxle. You can run on diesel, or switch to electric or run on both,,, battery recharges itself on the go. 15-16kmpl FE.. Of course they have not mentioned bookings open..

For those of you with a creative design bent of mind, here is an interesting design challenge to put a constructive creative juices to work:

http://www.mahindrascorpio.com/scorp...corpio2006.asp

Ram · 30th January 2006, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by adya33

the new and improved scorpio is on its way
you can find more info in thread called "New scorpio with lotus tuned suspension"

Wasn't able to find this "New scorpio with lotus tuned suspension" thread on team-bhp!
Is it on some other BBS?

Can you send me a link or URL to it ?

tifosikrishna · 30th January 2006, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram

Wasn't able to find this "New scorpio with lotus tuned suspension" thread on team-bhp!
Is it on some other BBS?

Can you send me a link or URL to it ?

here it is

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ighlight=lotus

jat · 30th January 2006, 16:05

Going downhill will be free of cost :-D

RK

rangaraj · 29th December 2006, 08:43

Business Standard article:

Dileep Athavale / Pune December 28, 2006

Automobiles major Mahindra & Mahindra is gearing up to launch a mild-hybrid technology version of its passenger vehicle Scorpio in the near future.

Arun Jaura, senior vice-president (research & development), M&M, said that the company was in the process of developing a hybrid tech version of Scorpio, a prototype of which was displayed at the India Auto Expo in January this year.

"While the completely redesigned hybrid version of Scorpio will take some time to come, a mild-hybrid version with minor adjustment in design to accommodate the battery unit can be introduced sooner," Jaura said. However, he did not give the possible time for introduction of the new version.

While the full-hybrid version makes it possible to run the vehicle on both electric power and petrol or diesel, the mild hybrid technology will offer stop-and-start with electrical power, Jaura explained, adding that the facility would be relevant for frequent halts at traffic lights in big cities.

The company had indicated at the Auto Expo in January this year that the full-hybrid tech version of Scorpio would be launched in about 30 months' time.

"While the development effort to meet that commitment is well in progress, the mild-hybrid option can be introduced much before," Jaura said.

"While the full-hybrid version will necessitate a complete redesign of the power train for Scorpio, minor adjustments in the vehicle's cab will be enough for mild-hybrid," he said. Jaura did not comment on the pricing of the mild-hybrid but said the user could recover the price difference in a year.

He ruled out the possibility of retrofitting the hybrid tech unit on existing Scorpio vehicles.

M&M currently sells about 4000 units of Scorpio per month, and hybrid tech model will be made available initially at the buyer's option.

GeekSrik · 29th December 2006, 09:16

A full hybrid scorpio? which means it can run entirely on electric or entirely on other fuel? Is that technically feasible that a huge vehicle like that runs on electricity alone?

rangaraj · 29th December 2006, 10:35

Hybrid vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Petroleum electric hybrid vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

gives more information..

A Petroleum Electric Hybrid Vehicle (PEHV) is a vehicle using an on-board rechargeable energy storage system (RESS) and a fueled power source for vehicle propulsion. The HV pollutes less and uses less fuel during its useful life. The different propulsion power systems may have common subsystems or components. The HV provides better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle because the engine is smaller and may be run at speeds providing more efficiency. Other techniques may be used to recover or reduce waste energy (such as regenerative braking and shutting down the combustion engine).

PHEVs most commonly use internal combustion engines and electric batteries to power electric motors. Modern mass-produced hybrids prolong the charge on their batteries by capturing kinetic energy via regenerative braking. As well, when cruising or in other situations where just light thrust is needed, "full" hybrids can use the combustion engine to generate electricity by spinning an electrical generator (often a second electric motor[1]) to either recharge the battery or directly feed power to an electric motor that drives the vehicle. This contrasts with all-electric cars which use batteries charged by an external source such as the grid, or a range extending trailer. Nearly all hybrids still require gasoline and diesel as their sole fuel source though other fuels such as ethanol or plant based oils have also seen occasional use.

The term hybrid when used in relation with cars also has other uses. Prior to its modern meaning of hybrid propulsion, the word hybrid was used in the United States to mean a vehicle of mixed national origin; generally, a European car fitted with American mechanical components. This meaning has fallen out of use. In the import scene, hybrid was often used to describe an engine swap. Some have also referred to flexible-fuel vehicles as hybrids because they can use a mixture of different fuels — typically gasoline and ethanol alcohol fuel.

kkr2k2 · 29th December 2006, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeekSrik

A full hybrid scorpio? which means it can run entirely on electric or entirely on other fuel? Is that technically feasible that a huge vehicle like that runs on electricity alone?

check out List of 2007 Hybrid Vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , you will be surprised to see hybrid SUVs or MUVs from lexus, Mercury, Saturn, toyota and ford. And trucks too from chevvy and GMC.

Sahil · 29th December 2006, 13:30

Its high time the Fuel concious indian market gets Hybrids...kudos to an Indian company to bring in the revolution!

GTO · 29th December 2006, 15:18

You bet, hats off to Mahindra for being the front-runner with hybrids in India. Considering that many of us pay upto 2 lac rupees extra for diesel economy. If only the news article explained the concept of full and mild hybrid better.

Buttttttttttttttttttt Scorpio diesels are the only sellers (petrol Scorpios are a rarified breed). Is this a hybrid for the petrol and diesel engines? Just how FE will a hybrid be? How will the running cost compare to a diesel keeping in mind that diesel is heavily subsidised in India. What about the cost of batteries and the reliability of Mahindras new technology?

29th December 2006, 15:58

I like the way pure-Indian auto-manufacturers(viz., Tata and Mahindra with all their limitiations ) are trying to do their best for Indian consumers to give all possible new-trends that are available out there in world.

Same could be done more easily by their counterparts(like Japanese, Korean, American and European mfrs) in India -- as they already have established technolgy in these areas. But all these manufacturers say that Indian consumers are not-need-it, no-market,etc.

abdul 65 amg · 29th December 2006, 18:39

Suryam I think foreign car makers should think more about Indian market than now.India is ready for every new tech which respects environment.
Hat off for Mahindra ,they are rocking , happy that they developp that tech by themselves and not buying it from Japan

StarScream · 9th January 2008, 20:05

launched today. It is a diesel-electric hybrid with a 6 speed automatic gearbox. Will be launched in India in 18 months. Expected fuel economy about 16kms a liter. It uses a 2.2 liter diesel engine.

BUSA · 9th January 2008, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarScream

launched today. It is a diesel-electric hybrid with a 6 speed automatic gearbox. Will be launched in India in 18 months. Expected fuel economy about 16kms a liter. It uses a 2.2 liter diesel engine.

Can you elaborate on the bold part?

StarScream · 9th January 2008, 20:14

The image doesn't tell you much but here it is nonetheless:

30th January 2006, 08:35	#31
rangaraj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 570 Thanked: 10 Times	From their website.. Well this is from their website: (by default it goes to a 2004 scorpio!) http://www.mahindrascorpio.com/scorpio2004/sitemap.asp 2.6 Litre Turbocharged Intercooled ,Common Rail Diesel Engine (BS III) Optional : Borg-Warner Electric 4WD System(7 Seater,BS II only) In their autoexpo microwebsite, the hybrid is described as follows: Powered by a CRDe and an electric transaxle. You can run on diesel, or switch to electric or run on both,,, battery recharges itself on the go. 15-16kmpl FE.. Of course they have not mentioned bookings open.. For those of you with a creative design bent of mind, here is an interesting design challenge to put a constructive creative juices to work: http://www.mahindrascorpio.com/scorp...corpio2006.asp
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30th January 2006, 16:05	#34
jat BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SINGAPORE Posts: 265 Thanked: 7 Times	Going downhill will be free of cost :-D RK
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29th December 2006, 08:43	#35
rangaraj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 570 Thanked: 10 Times	Hybrid Scorpio to hit Market Business Standard article: Dileep Athavale / Pune December 28, 2006 Automobiles major Mahindra & Mahindra is gearing up to launch a mild-hybrid technology version of its passenger vehicle Scorpio in the near future. Arun Jaura, senior vice-president (research & development), M&M, said that the company was in the process of developing a hybrid tech version of Scorpio, a prototype of which was displayed at the India Auto Expo in January this year. "While the completely redesigned hybrid version of Scorpio will take some time to come, a mild-hybrid version with minor adjustment in design to accommodate the battery unit can be introduced sooner," Jaura said. However, he did not give the possible time for introduction of the new version. While the full-hybrid version makes it possible to run the vehicle on both electric power and petrol or diesel, the mild hybrid technology will offer stop-and-start with electrical power, Jaura explained, adding that the facility would be relevant for frequent halts at traffic lights in big cities. The company had indicated at the Auto Expo in January this year that the full-hybrid tech version of Scorpio would be launched in about 30 months' time. "While the development effort to meet that commitment is well in progress, the mild-hybrid option can be introduced much before," Jaura said. "While the full-hybrid version will necessitate a complete redesign of the power train for Scorpio, minor adjustments in the vehicle's cab will be enough for mild-hybrid," he said. Jaura did not comment on the pricing of the mild-hybrid but said the user could recover the price difference in a year. He ruled out the possibility of retrofitting the hybrid tech unit on existing Scorpio vehicles. M&M currently sells about 4000 units of Scorpio per month, and hybrid tech model will be made available initially at the buyer's option.
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29th December 2006, 09:16	#36
GeekSrik Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,281 Thanked: 22 Times View My Garage	A full hybrid scorpio? which means it can run entirely on electric or entirely on other fuel? Is that technically feasible that a huge vehicle like that runs on electricity alone?
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29th December 2006, 10:35	#37
rangaraj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 570 Thanked: 10 Times	Some more information.. Hybrid vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Petroleum electric hybrid vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia gives more information.. A Petroleum Electric Hybrid Vehicle (PEHV) is a vehicle using an on-board rechargeable energy storage system (RESS) and a fueled power source for vehicle propulsion. The HV pollutes less and uses less fuel during its useful life. The different propulsion power systems may have common subsystems or components. The HV provides better fuel economy than a conventional vehicle because the engine is smaller and may be run at speeds providing more efficiency. Other techniques may be used to recover or reduce waste energy (such as regenerative braking and shutting down the combustion engine). PHEVs most commonly use internal combustion engines and electric batteries to power electric motors. Modern mass-produced hybrids prolong the charge on their batteries by capturing kinetic energy via regenerative braking. As well, when cruising or in other situations where just light thrust is needed, "full" hybrids can use the combustion engine to generate electricity by spinning an electrical generator (often a second electric motor[1]) to either recharge the battery or directly feed power to an electric motor that drives the vehicle. This contrasts with all-electric cars which use batteries charged by an external source such as the grid, or a range extending trailer. Nearly all hybrids still require gasoline and diesel as their sole fuel source though other fuels such as ethanol or plant based oils have also seen occasional use. The term hybrid when used in relation with cars also has other uses. Prior to its modern meaning of hybrid propulsion, the word hybrid was used in the United States to mean a vehicle of mixed national origin; generally, a European car fitted with American mechanical components. This meaning has fallen out of use. In the import scene, hybrid was often used to describe an engine swap. Some have also referred to flexible-fuel vehicles as hybrids because they can use a mixture of different fuels — typically gasoline and ethanol alcohol fuel.
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29th December 2006, 13:30	#39
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,605 Times	Its high time the Fuel concious indian market gets Hybrids...kudos to an Indian company to bring in the revolution!
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29th December 2006, 15:18	#40
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,483 Thanked: 300,229 Times View My Garage	You bet, hats off to Mahindra for being the front-runner with hybrids in India. Considering that many of us pay upto 2 lac rupees extra for diesel economy. If only the news article explained the concept of full and mild hybrid better. Buttttttttttttttttttt Scorpio diesels are the only sellers (petrol Scorpios are a rarified breed). Is this a hybrid for the petrol and diesel engines? Just how FE will a hybrid be? How will the running cost compare to a diesel keeping in mind that diesel is heavily subsidised in India. What about the cost of batteries and the reliability of Mahindras new technology?
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29th December 2006, 15:58	#41
Suryam Posts: n/a	I like the way pure-Indian auto-manufacturers(viz., Tata and Mahindra with all their limitiations ) are trying to do their best for Indian consumers to give all possible new-trends that are available out there in world. Same could be done more easily by their counterparts(like Japanese, Korean, American and European mfrs) in India -- as they already have established technolgy in these areas. But all these manufacturers say that Indian consumers are not-need-it, no-market,etc.
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29th December 2006, 18:39	#42
abdul 65 amg BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brussels Posts: 252 Thanked: Once	Suryam I think foreign car makers should think more about Indian market than now.India is ready for every new tech which respects environment. Hat off for Mahindra ,they are rocking , happy that they developp that tech by themselves and not buying it from Japan
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9th January 2008, 20:05	#43
StarScream Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Noida/Delhi Posts: 1,263 Thanked: 665 Times	launched today. It is a diesel-electric hybrid with a 6 speed automatic gearbox. Will be launched in India in 18 months. Expected fuel economy about 16kms a liter. It uses a 2.2 liter diesel engine.
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9th January 2008, 20:14	#45
StarScream Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Noida/Delhi Posts: 1,263 Thanked: 665 Times	The image doesn't tell you much but here it is nonetheless:
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