Unfair classification at Speed Run 2007

team dragstar · 19th February 2007, 13:29

welll.this is how it goes..
there are 2 classifications as far as the foreign class under 2000 cc is concerned. pro stock under 2000 cc . or forced induction/ nitrous under 2000 cc.
now this was specified on the forms as every contestant knows..
so we tuners who want to enter into pro stock under 2000 cc tune our cars accordingly. (obviously no turbo / nitrous)
at the time of filling up forms we are informed by some guy by the name starting with an alphabet "v" that they are two different classes.
at the time of briefing we clarify the matter again, at the track 3 organisers tell us that they are two differnt classes and 3 others tell us that pro stock under 2000 and forced induction classes have been joined together.
i go to the track and line up for practice and ask again that if therare the same class or different and the answer is ...' they are different' . and when the results come ... guess what ?????? they have clubbed my tiny crx with giants like subaru's and evo's.
q 1.. why dont they specify that these cars are gonna run together when they bring out the forms???
q2... do these guys have any idea how much time it takes to tune a turbo car???
q3...do they know how much time it takes to import the forged internals , build the engine, tune the ecu, do run ins , etc???

any comments??

Sankar · 19th February 2007, 13:54

They are only interested to sell their magazines. It's a shame that these guys using the name of an international publication doesn't even know what they're doing. ACI how about getting some tips from your European counterparts? First it was starting the event 5 hours late and then this.

One question: Who is organising the event, is it ACI themselves or is there any event management companies involved?

zoheb · 19th February 2007, 14:17

a company called hungama. /// worst drag ever... i didnt even bother to go there the second day...

dont even regret it one bit!!!

scooby05 · 19th February 2007, 14:19

I Totally Agree!!
the classifications were all Wrong and UNFAIR.
stock/prostock has to be seperate from modified.
cant put a 300SL with a M5 or a twin turbo Supra!!!??
or a stock WRX-STI[275bhp] with a Blown/modified WRX-STI[650bhp]/EVO6[450bhp]

v1p3r · 21st February 2007, 17:48

Well we were also told that Indian Pro-stock cannot run in Indian Open, but we saw a lot of Game Over cars doing just that.

mclaren1885 · 21st February 2007, 18:07

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Well we were also told that Indian Pro-stock cannot run in Indian Open, but we saw a lot of Game Over cars doing just that.

Exactly the reason why i couldnt run in the indian open .. But i was shocked to wits corner when i saw most of the pro-stock cars running in the indian open ..

EVO6 · 21st February 2007, 21:12

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Originally Posted by team dragstar

welll.this is how it goes..
there are 2 classifications as far as the foreign class under 2000 cc is concerned. pro stock under 2000 cc . or forced induction/ nitrous under 2000 cc.
now this was specified on the forms as every contestant knows..
so we tuners who want to enter into pro stock under 2000 cc tune our cars accordingly. (obviously no turbo / nitrous)
at the time of filling up forms we are informed by some guy by the name starting with an alphabet "v" that they are two different classes.
at the time of briefing we clarify the matter again, at the track 3 organisers tell us that they are two differnt classes and 3 others tell us that pro stock under 2000 and forced induction classes have been joined together.
i go to the track and line up for practice and ask again that if therare the same class or different and the answer is ...' they are different' . and when the results come ... guess what ?????? they have clubbed my tiny crx with giants like subaru's and evo's.
q 1.. why dont they specify that these cars are gonna run together when they bring out the forms???
q2... do these guys have any idea how much time it takes to tune a turbo car???
q3...do they know how much time it takes to import the forged internals , build the engine, tune the ecu, do run ins , etc???

any comments??

Well Team Dragstar...

Please take time to read the SR (Supplemetary Regulation) properly before complaining and filling the entrance forms..
I know the classes should not have been joined together.. There should have been prostock and another class for NOS/FORCED INDUCTION..
But from day one the SR was out these classes were in one class. It was the same for the Indian Class as well but that was changed at a later date.. I guess there werent too many pro-stock cars participating and thats the reason why they didnt want to have 2 separate classes..

Cheers

team dragstar · 22nd February 2007, 16:58

hi evo
well why dont you see the SR from last year as well... they are exactly the same... i have kept a copy from last year as well. i ran the pro stock class last year.... that too with 2 cars in the class...

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the funny thing is there was mr. singhania last year and no mr.singhania this year... something to think about???
this year 4 cars entered the class..

the question is why were we kept guessing as every official and organiser were giving different answers.
and by the way no one's complaining. cheers

v1p3r · 22nd February 2007, 17:09

Well, you have to specify which SR. ACI handed out 4 or something.

team dragstar · 22nd February 2007, 22:43

thats what we call confusion!!!!!!!!!

EVO6 · 23rd February 2007, 21:10

TD,
I know there was a problem but these things should be sorted out and fought out with AUTOCAR before the event which we did in the Indian Class.. Initially the option was FI and NOS allowed which made no sense to the Indian open class then.. So later after much deliberation they changed it to FI or NOS( only one allowed )... I agree it should be the same with the foreign class as well... All I can advise it fight with them buddy.. Get your way..

V1p3r..
Remember the fight with Vinith at the Briefing meeting

Cheers

team dragstar · 26th February 2007, 13:21

evo,
what do you do when they tell you that its a pro stock class you are running at the staging area and change it when the results are out????
man they are confused themselves and asking for 30000 for protest fees....
and the price money ?????? let not even get there

v1p3r · 26th February 2007, 14:42

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Originally Posted by EVO6

V1p3r..
Remember the fight with Vinith at the Briefing meeting

Yeah, what an experience.

turbo_v12 · 27th February 2007, 17:38

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Originally Posted by team dragstar

man they are confused themselves and asking for 30000 for protest fees....

WHAT!!! DID they really?

adman77 · 14th March 2007, 18:23

I completely agree with Dragstar. There was complete confusion and chaos. Not only in the foriegn FI and pro stock categoris, but also Indian pro stock category as well. My Corsa 1.4 was in pro stock 1150 to 1450. At the time of registreration, I confirmed with them and they too confirmed that it will be completely 1150 to 1450 pro stock cause I was a little worried about Zen 1400s (like yours). And they said that that zen 1400 is a different category altogether. Guess what? I got a zen 1400 from Banglore on my first run. Now that's unfair man!

19th February 2007, 13:29	#1
team dragstar BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 80 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Unfair classification at Speed Run 2007 welll.this is how it goes.. there are 2 classifications as far as the foreign class under 2000 cc is concerned. pro stock under 2000 cc . or forced induction/ nitrous under 2000 cc. now this was specified on the forms as every contestant knows.. so we tuners who want to enter into pro stock under 2000 cc tune our cars accordingly. (obviously no turbo / nitrous) at the time of filling up forms we are informed by some guy by the name starting with an alphabet "v" that they are two different classes. at the time of briefing we clarify the matter again, at the track 3 organisers tell us that they are two differnt classes and 3 others tell us that pro stock under 2000 and forced induction classes have been joined together. i go to the track and line up for practice and ask again that if therare the same class or different and the answer is ...' they are different' . and when the results come ... guess what ?????? they have clubbed my tiny crx with giants like subaru's and evo's. q 1.. why dont they specify that these cars are gonna run together when they bring out the forms??? q2... do these guys have any idea how much time it takes to tune a turbo car??? q3...do they know how much time it takes to import the forged internals , build the engine, tune the ecu, do run ins , etc??? any comments??
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19th February 2007, 13:54	#2
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,054 Times	They are only interested to sell their magazines. It's a shame that these guys using the name of an international publication doesn't even know what they're doing. ACI how about getting some tips from your European counterparts? First it was starting the event 5 hours late and then this. One question: Who is organising the event, is it ACI themselves or is there any event management companies involved?
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19th February 2007, 14:17	#3
zoheb BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 32 Thanked: 0 Times	a company called hungama. /// worst drag ever... i didnt even bother to go there the second day... dont even regret it one bit!!!
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19th February 2007, 14:19	#4
scooby05 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,145 Thanked: 192 Times	I Totally Agree!! the classifications were all Wrong and UNFAIR. stock/prostock has to be seperate from modified. cant put a 300SL with a M5 or a twin turbo Supra!!!?? or a stock WRX-STI[275bhp] with a Blown/modified WRX-STI[650bhp]/EVO6[450bhp]
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21st February 2007, 17:48	#5
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Well we were also told that Indian Pro-stock cannot run in Indian Open, but we saw a lot of Game Over cars doing just that.
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22nd February 2007, 16:58	#8
team dragstar BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 80 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	hi evo well why dont you see the SR from last year as well... they are exactly the same... i have kept a copy from last year as well. i ran the pro stock class last year.... that too with 2 cars in the class... _ the funny thing is there was mr. singhania last year and no mr.singhania this year... something to think about??? this year 4 cars entered the class.. the question is why were we kept guessing as every official and organiser were giving different answers. and by the way no one's complaining. cheers Last edited by team dragstar : 22nd February 2007 at 17:03. Reason: additions
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22nd February 2007, 17:09	#9
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Well, you have to specify which SR. ACI handed out 4 or something.
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22nd February 2007, 22:43	#10
team dragstar BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 80 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	thats what we call confusion!!!!!!!!!
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23rd February 2007, 21:10	#11
EVO6 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 488 Thanked: 11 Times	TD, I know there was a problem but these things should be sorted out and fought out with AUTOCAR before the event which we did in the Indian Class.. Initially the option was FI and NOS allowed which made no sense to the Indian open class then.. So later after much deliberation they changed it to FI or NOS( only one allowed )... I agree it should be the same with the foreign class as well... All I can advise it fight with them buddy.. Get your way.. V1p3r.. Remember the fight with Vinith at the Briefing meeting Cheers
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26th February 2007, 13:21	#12
team dragstar BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 80 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	evo, what do you do when they tell you that its a pro stock class you are running at the staging area and change it when the results are out???? man they are confused themselves and asking for 30000 for protest fees.... and the price money ?????? let not even get there
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14th March 2007, 18:23	#15
adman77 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 383 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	I completely agree with Dragstar. There was complete confusion and chaos. Not only in the foriegn FI and pro stock categoris, but also Indian pro stock category as well. My Corsa 1.4 was in pro stock 1150 to 1450. At the time of registreration, I confirmed with them and they too confirmed that it will be completely 1150 to 1450 pro stock cause I was a little worried about Zen 1400s (like yours). And they said that that zen 1400 is a different category altogether. Guess what? I got a zen 1400 from Banglore on my first run. Now that's unfair man!
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