[Mpower]

Originally Posted by Rtech

The Swift comes up against the Esteem. Same engine and less weight of the Esteem means that logically, the Esteem would be quicker. However, the Swift does handle better. How that would translate to the rally circuit is a question mark i.e. will a better handling swift be able to nullify the couple of hundred kilo's of extra weight? Some of the Rally boys like killjoy or chetan could give us a better idea.

But if both have to meet the same min. weight rule, you could always strip the hell out of a Swift to match the Esteem's weight right? Plus Swift has EPS which allows you to push more power out the the engine esp high rpms.

[hellspawn]

Originally Posted by Mpower

Plus Swift has EPS which allows you to push more power out the the engine esp high rpms.

EPS-Electronic power steering???I think you have confused it with something else.

[1100D]

Originally Posted by hellspawn

EPS-Electronic power steering???I think you have confused it with something else.

He is not confused. EPS does not put load on the engine unlike the hydraulic ones. Moreover EPS system deactivates after a certain speed even reducing the load on the alternator which in turns unloads the engine.

[rohan_fonseca]

Doesn't the esteem have eps as well?

[1100D]

Originally Posted by rohan_fonseca

Doesn't the esteem have eps as well?

No, its Hydraulic. It was the Zen that had EPS.

[Rtech]

But if both have to meet the same min. weight rule, you could always strip the hell out of a Swift to match the Esteem's weight right?

True. But for racing. In rally's grp. N regs do not state a standard minimum weight for each class like it is in racing. They follow the manufacturers given weight, which is noted in the homologation form. So for example, if the esteem's weight is noted as 800kg and the Swift is noted at 1000kg, those are the minimum weights they must run to.

[chetan]

One thing is for sure the swift will be a really good handler provided with right suspension setup i think it has enough grunt so we can take it sideways....it will dominate the carb esteem but i am sure most of our drivers still prefer carb engines.... but when it comes to Grp N esteems i have my doubts but a swift in a good drivers hand will be a sight to watch........i believe joshys 1400 esteem is a monster

[1100D]

Originally Posted by chetan

One thing is for sure the swift will be a really good handler provided with right suspension setup

That is precisely where we need some light on. Suspension apart, on the structural rigidity part, the strut tower's are not accessible for strut bracing to be easily done. Now the question is, how does one get around that hurdle, or whether the structure is rigid enough in itself to bear the stresses.

[nitrous]

Originally Posted by 1100

the strut tower's are not accessible for strut bracing to be easily done. Now the question is, how does one get around that hurdle

I would look at how the europeans have prepared the swift track/ rally cars.
It might give all the help we'll need .

[1100D]

Originally Posted by nitrous

I would look at how the europeans have prepared the swift track/ rally cars.
It might give all the help we'll need .

Now are many privateers using the Swift for Rally in Europe? My Guess is no, its the factory team that has biggest presence.

[nitrous]

Bad assumption, 1100.
There are umpteen Swift rally and track races with a lot of privateers in them.
Here's one of the result Google uncle came up with:
Circuit Park Zandvoort - Suzuki Swift

[pawan]

Originally Posted by chetan

it will dominate the carb esteem but i am sure most of our drivers still prefer carb engines.... but when it comes to Grp N esteems i have my doubts but a swift in a good drivers hand will be a sight to watch........i believe joshys 1400 esteem is a monster

i always had this doubt to why do they prefer the carb to fi?.

[chetan]

Originally Posted by nitrous

I would look at how the europeans have prepared the swift track/ rally cars.
It might give all the help we'll need .

that would be the right choice

Originally Posted by 1100D

Now are many privateers using the Swift for Rally in Europe? My Guess is no, its the factory team that has biggest presence.

in the ERC and Belgium championships some are using swifts

Originally Posted by pawan

i always had this doubt to why do they prefer the carb to fi?.

its got something to do with the rpm level you have shift at the correct rpm in FI 1400 esteems or there'll be a drop of power for a short time that is why many drivers in 1400 use shift indicators meters

[pawan]

Originally Posted by chetan

its got something to do with the rpm level you have shift at the correct rpm in FI 1400 esteems or there'll be a drop of power for a short time that is why many drivers in 1400 use shift indicators meters

i have heard about this but only in the 8v since they are supposed to handle the revs much better than the 16v.is it the same with the carbs also in the group n esteems do they use the 16v or 8v engines.

[chetan]

confirmed it from a friend its 16v