What does it take to make a rally team?

akshay · 27th November 2005, 23:19

Hi All

What does it take to make a rally team?

I'm sure there are several veterans on team-bhp who could help and guide some enthusiastic people like me.

How much does a rally car cost to build and maintain?

What is the practice like? How many hours of practice would it take?

Any online resources would also be welcome.

I'm quite keen to start , what should be my first step?

Shan2nu · 27th November 2005, 23:22

If rallying is your game, then "Rtech" is the name. Ask him.

Shan2nu

Badcheetah · 28th November 2005, 03:05

Another Mad Man !!!

Well well Akshay, Interesting question you have asked here my friend .

Well for starters you will have to zero in on a car which you would like to Rally with .
Now before we start off here , The most important thing in this sport is to have either a very rich Daddy or Friends . or else if you are lucky enough SPONSORS !!!!.

Ok Car – Well you can only drive those cars which have been Homologated in India. Well the list is not very big , Maruti Suzuki , Honda , and the Lancers , but all except one are driving a Maruti Vehicle on the Indian Rally Scene , leaving aside Jibby who drives a Honda .

Well if you are just starting I would recommend you to get a Carb Esteem and start off with the R.A.C category @ Indian National Rally Championship. This is a lot cheaper and you will get to know the In’s and Out’s of the Indian Rally during your first year itself and if you feel its time for you to graduate you can move up to a MPFI Esteem or Even a Baleno.

Costs My Friend – well what can I say a Rally Car is like Curd , the more sugar you add , the sweeter it becomes. After you have the sorted out which car ,you will first need to get the car modified . For that the roll cage would set you back any thing between Rs.18,000.00 to Rs.25,000.00 . Strengthening the underbody and the shell would cost you any thing Rs.30,000.00 to Rs.40,000.00 depending on the car and also from where you get it done .

Racing Seats ;
Sparco originals – Rs.26,000.00 .
Non FIA approved – Rs.15,000.00 .
Seat belts
Sparco - Rs.30,000.00 ( F.I.A. Approved )
Others Rs.15,000.00 ( Non F.I.A. Approved )
Helmets –
Indian ISI Marked – Rs.2,000.00
FIA Approved Sparco ones with intercoms – Rs.20,000.00 ( There is a lot to choose from , that’s the cheapest one by the way )
Racing Suits –
Indian – MAI approved - Rs.5,300.00 per piece
Sparco – starts from Rs.13,000.00 per piece

Suspention /Springs

Imported

Koni – Rs.18,000.00 (Esteem ) Have to get them from Singapore or even Methods has them now
D.M.S- Rs.1,80,000.00 (Beleno ) Mr.Leela Krishnan
D.M.S-Rs.1,20,000.00(Esteem ) Mr.Leela Krishnan

Indian :

Dynamics – Rs.75,000.00 (Baleno ) Mr.J. Anand
Dynamics – Rs.60,000.00 (Esteem) ,Mr.J. Anand
Scrutiny ok Accessories :

Fire extinguisher – Rs.3,200.00 (please get a 2 KG one )
Bonnet / boot fastners – Rs.1,800.00 (Sparco )
Engine kill switch – Rs.1,200.00 (Sparco )
Basic safety kit – Rs.500.00

NOTE : all prices are approx and subject to change ...

This is the basic stuff what you need to get done , and there is a big list what you can also do , but I guess that’s at a later stage .

Ok about maintaining your car , I guess you will have to keep some spares like axle, jumping roads , arms , etc etc . you never know whats going to break or what you need to change during the rally .

Other things what you can do with the car are like changing the exhaust , drive with 14” tires (MRF dirts or Tarmac ) so will have to change the rims , you can go for alloys or Honda Vtech rims , or if you are loaded get Compomotives (I got a set!!! ) .well K&N filter , taco meter , shift light , electronic starter ,

Buddy this is too long and painfull subject please call me and I will speak to you over the phone , even give you some stuff which I am not using now . All this talk about the prices is making me depressed . I have put more pay checks in my car than I have in my bank so u know how I feel .

Try these websites as well . they are very informative .
M.A.I -The Governing Body .

Methods On line - for seats , helmets , and other stuff
Norhtern Motorsports

leela krishnan's email id : racing112@hotmail.com
J.Anand mail id : anand@jayemauto.com

Good Luck

Mpower · 28th November 2005, 08:06

Hey BC, that was helpful information. Got some Qs.

Is RAC class same as the old Gp N class?
Are the engines completely stock except for the exhuast?
What about the Gypsy cup. Is that better for beginners?
Is Dynamics made by J.Anand's company?
Do the Mpfi Esteems run in the same category as Mpfi Balenos?
(If so then why on earth would someone run an Esteem)

Samurai · 28th November 2005, 09:49

May be this is off-topic. I don't really follow rallies, but I have often heard of stock car category. Does that mean there is a category where one can only run stock cars, without any mods mentioned by BC?

Mpower · 28th November 2005, 10:03

Stock category will have minimal mods. All safety mods are required like roll cage, seat belts etc.

Rtech · 28th November 2005, 10:34

Looks like Bad Cheetah has covered most point very well. that should serve as a ballpark idea for people thinking about getting into rallying in India.

Couple of Points:
- Its RSC (Rally Star Cup) not RAC.
- The INRC runs to FIA Group N technical regulations which mean almost no modifications allowed to the engine. Suspension is free though (mounting points must be the same).
- Cheapest way to go rallying is in the Gypsy class. The Gypsy requires the least maintenance and will easily do 2-3 rallies without any major work.

Tom · 2nd December 2005, 10:40

How long more will the esteem (carb) be allowed to run in the INRC?

Rtech · 2nd December 2005, 10:44

Till end of 2006 for sure. Not sure about 2007.

Tom · 2nd December 2005, 10:45

shucks...u jus shut off the light at the end of the tunnel :-(
whats the next cheapest alternative?

Rtech · 2nd December 2005, 10:58

Tom, the decision whether to keep the carb Esteems running will be taken after getting feedback from the number of drivers interested in continuing with that car. It's not a problem to keep it going. So basically, if the RSC sees healthy competition in 2006, it would probably continue in 2007 as well.

As far as the cheapest goes, it has to be the Gypsy.

raajks · 3rd December 2005, 16:23

Wow, Bad Cheetah..that is an awesome information. I wanted to join a Rally team. I do understand that this is an expensive sport but I am keeping my options open. Thanks for that info buddy.

akshay · 4th December 2005, 07:11

Thanks BadCheetah, Rtech, Guys.

That is a lot of money! But thats okay because where there's a will, there better be a way!

I think i'm going to start looking for a decent second hand gypsy soon and then start the "rallyizing" process. I've always wanted a Gypsy so I guess i'll kill 2 birds with one stone.

Thanks so much guys, I'll be asking a whole lot more questions once I start getting into it in a more concrete way.

Time for my life-savings to take a toss!!

sanket12 · 5th December 2005, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rtech

- Cheapest way to go rallying is in the Gypsy class. The Gypsy requires the least maintenance and will easily do 2-3 rallies without any major work.

i could not agree more :-) the gypsy is definately the cheapest way to rally in the country....

Rtech · 5th December 2005, 10:51

how about a more detailed costing of your season so far Sanket. It would be a big help to others lookign to get into the sport.

27th November 2005, 23:19	#1
akshay BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Goa Posts: 53 Thanked: 12 Times	What does it take to make a rally team? Hi All What does it take to make a rally team? I'm sure there are several veterans on team-bhp who could help and guide some enthusiastic people like me. How much does a rally car cost to build and maintain? What is the practice like? How many hours of practice would it take? Any online resources would also be welcome. I'm quite keen to start , what should be my first step?
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27th November 2005, 23:22	#2
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 125 Times View My Garage	If rallying is your game, then "Rtech" is the name. Ask him. Shan2nu
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28th November 2005, 03:05	#3
Badcheetah BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 123 Thanked: 3 Times	Another Mad Man !! WAH WAH Welcome Sir Welcome Another Mad Man !!! Well well Akshay, Interesting question you have asked here my friend . Well for starters you will have to zero in on a car which you would like to Rally with . Now before we start off here , The most important thing in this sport is to have either a very rich Daddy or Friends . or else if you are lucky enough SPONSORS !!!!. Ok Car – Well you can only drive those cars which have been Homologated in India. Well the list is not very big , Maruti Suzuki , Honda , and the Lancers , but all except one are driving a Maruti Vehicle on the Indian Rally Scene , leaving aside Jibby who drives a Honda . Well if you are just starting I would recommend you to get a Carb Esteem and start off with the R.A.C category @ Indian National Rally Championship. This is a lot cheaper and you will get to know the In’s and Out’s of the Indian Rally during your first year itself and if you feel its time for you to graduate you can move up to a MPFI Esteem or Even a Baleno. Costs My Friend – well what can I say a Rally Car is like Curd , the more sugar you add , the sweeter it becomes. After you have the sorted out which car ,you will first need to get the car modified . For that the roll cage would set you back any thing between Rs.18,000.00 to Rs.25,000.00 . Strengthening the underbody and the shell would cost you any thing Rs.30,000.00 to Rs.40,000.00 depending on the car and also from where you get it done . Racing Seats ; Sparco originals – Rs.26,000.00 . Non FIA approved – Rs.15,000.00 . Seat belts Sparco - Rs.30,000.00 ( F.I.A. Approved ) Others Rs.15,000.00 ( Non F.I.A. Approved ) Helmets – Indian ISI Marked – Rs.2,000.00 FIA Approved Sparco ones with intercoms – Rs.20,000.00 ( There is a lot to choose from , that’s the cheapest one by the way ) Racing Suits – Indian – MAI approved - Rs.5,300.00 per piece Sparco – starts from Rs.13,000.00 per piece Suspention /Springs Imported Koni – Rs.18,000.00 (Esteem ) Have to get them from Singapore or even Methods has them now D.M.S- Rs.1,80,000.00 (Beleno ) Mr.Leela Krishnan D.M.S-Rs.1,20,000.00(Esteem ) Mr.Leela Krishnan Indian : Dynamics – Rs.75,000.00 (Baleno ) Mr.J. Anand Dynamics – Rs.60,000.00 (Esteem) ,Mr.J. Anand Scrutiny ok Accessories : Fire extinguisher – Rs.3,200.00 (please get a 2 KG one ) Bonnet / boot fastners – Rs.1,800.00 (Sparco ) Engine kill switch – Rs.1,200.00 (Sparco ) Basic safety kit – Rs.500.00 NOTE : all prices are approx and subject to change ... This is the basic stuff what you need to get done , and there is a big list what you can also do , but I guess that’s at a later stage . Ok about maintaining your car , I guess you will have to keep some spares like axle, jumping roads , arms , etc etc . you never know whats going to break or what you need to change during the rally . Other things what you can do with the car are like changing the exhaust , drive with 14” tires (MRF dirts or Tarmac ) so will have to change the rims , you can go for alloys or Honda Vtech rims , or if you are loaded get Compomotives (I got a set!!! ) .well K&N filter , taco meter , shift light , electronic starter , Buddy this is too long and painfull subject please call me and I will speak to you over the phone , even give you some stuff which I am not using now . All this talk about the prices is making me depressed . I have put more pay checks in my car than I have in my bank so u know how I feel . Try these websites as well . they are very informative . M.A.I -The Governing Body . Methods On line - for seats , helmets , and other stuff Norhtern Motorsports leela krishnan's email id : racing112@hotmail.com J.Anand mail id : anand@jayemauto.com Good Luck
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28th November 2005, 08:06	#4
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	Hey BC, that was helpful information. Got some Qs. Is RAC class same as the old Gp N class? Are the engines completely stock except for the exhuast? What about the Gypsy cup. Is that better for beginners? Is Dynamics made by J.Anand's company? Do the Mpfi Esteems run in the same category as Mpfi Balenos? (If so then why on earth would someone run an Esteem)
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28th November 2005, 09:49	#5
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,815 Thanked: 45,448 Times View My Garage	May be this is off-topic. I don't really follow rallies, but I have often heard of stock car category. Does that mean there is a category where one can only run stock cars, without any mods mentioned by BC?
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28th November 2005, 10:03	#6
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	Stock category will have minimal mods. All safety mods are required like roll cage, seat belts etc.
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28th November 2005, 10:34	#7
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Looks like Bad Cheetah has covered most point very well. that should serve as a ballpark idea for people thinking about getting into rallying in India. Couple of Points: - Its RSC (Rally Star Cup) not RAC. - The INRC runs to FIA Group N technical regulations which mean almost no modifications allowed to the engine. Suspension is free though (mounting points must be the same). - Cheapest way to go rallying is in the Gypsy class. The Gypsy requires the least maintenance and will easily do 2-3 rallies without any major work.
	() Thanks

2nd December 2005, 10:40	#8
Tom BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, India. Posts: 401 Thanked: 0 Times	How long more will the esteem (carb) be allowed to run in the INRC?
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2nd December 2005, 10:44	#9
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Till end of 2006 for sure. Not sure about 2007.
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2nd December 2005, 10:45	#10
Tom BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, India. Posts: 401 Thanked: 0 Times	shucks...u jus shut off the light at the end of the tunnel :-( whats the next cheapest alternative?
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2nd December 2005, 10:58	#11
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Tom, the decision whether to keep the carb Esteems running will be taken after getting feedback from the number of drivers interested in continuing with that car. It's not a problem to keep it going. So basically, if the RSC sees healthy competition in 2006, it would probably continue in 2007 as well. As far as the cheapest goes, it has to be the Gypsy.
	() Thanks

3rd December 2005, 16:23	#12
raajks BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BLR Posts: 578 Thanked: 119 Times View My Garage	Wow, Bad Cheetah..that is an awesome information. I wanted to join a Rally team. I do understand that this is an expensive sport but I am keeping my options open. Thanks for that info buddy.
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4th December 2005, 07:11	#13
akshay BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Goa Posts: 53 Thanked: 12 Times	wow! Thanks BadCheetah, Rtech, Guys. That is a lot of money! But thats okay because where there's a will, there better be a way! I think i'm going to start looking for a decent second hand gypsy soon and then start the "rallyizing" process. I've always wanted a Gypsy so I guess i'll kill 2 birds with one stone. Thanks so much guys, I'll be asking a whole lot more questions once I start getting into it in a more concrete way. Time for my life-savings to take a toss!!
	() Thanks

5th December 2005, 10:51	#15
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	how about a more detailed costing of your season so far Sanket. It would be a big help to others lookign to get into the sport.
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