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3.1L for 5KW is on a higher side. The prices have come down considerably and last year I had received a quote of 2.8L for 5KW. So this year, I am expecting <2.5L for a 5KW setup. A 5KW setup will generate ~500-600 Units per month which is more than enough to cover the electricity consumption of an above average house with enough spare electricity to drive an EV for 500-1000KM.

My solar system was setup in Feb 2016 for which I paid INR2.3L without any subsidy. I took quotes from Bosch, Tata, Sukam, Microtech and a few other providers. The cheapest quote I received were from Microtech ~1.9 L after subsidy and Sukam 2.1L after subsidy. Bosch and Tata were expensive by 10-20K. I preferred Tata, but their service was pathetic where I had to keep following up for the quotes. Bosch was just an aggregator and they were not using any Bosch product. Instead they were installing Solar panels and Inverters from a Bangalore based company. Hence I finalized Sukam since they had their in house inverters and Panels were from Vikram Solar which was the same panels used by Tata. Getting subsidy from Govt had its own set of bureaucratic harassment and so I asked Sukam for a revised quote without subsidy. We were able to negotiate it to 2.3L without subsidy and the installation was completed in less than 2 weeks.

For an EV, the investment is minuscule and will pay for itself in a couple of years. Considering an average running of 1000KM per month, following will be the amount of electricity you need per month and the solar setup required to generate that much electricity.

To cover 1000KM normal driving with AC:
Tesla Model S needs ~ 200KWh - 2KW Solar setup ~ 1.5L
Chevy Bolt needs - ~ 170KWh - - same as above -
Tesla Model 3 needs ~ 150KWh - 1.5KW Solar Setup ~ 1L
Hyundai Ioniq needs ~ 150KWh - 1.5KW Solar Setup ~ 1L
Mahindra e2o needs ~ 110KWh - 1KW Solar Setup Rs70K

Sir, Is the above cost is inclusive battery also? If yes, what is the type and capacity of the battery? How often we have to change the battery? What will be the cost for it?

Do we have any supplier who supplies solar panels like the roof tiles, suppled by Tesla. In Kerala, many congrete terrace houses have Aluminum/steel roofing so as to reduce heat. If solar roof is available, with a fraction of extra cost, many people will opt for it.

Thanks those pricing are insane as i thought it was more closer to a 4lakhs for a 5kwh setup. How much is the e2o for? You literally would have spent about 15k for fuel for 3000 kms this year.




Am assuming its a panels only as its a grid tie with net metering.



Maddy

No batteries, it is a Grid-Tie setup.

The roof tiles which Tesla showcased is still a concept. It is still not available for public after the initial bookings were closed. They have been deploying the tiles to very few customers on test basis. So it is too early to expect such products in India.

I picked up a 2014 e2o for 3L as a stop gap until I can get hold of a better EV. I was waiting to buy the Tiago/Tigor EV as soon as it is launched, irrespective of the price. I think now I could wait for more options like the EV versions of the KUV, Wagon R and the likes.
I had also booked E2O Plus last year, but had to cancel the booking after an extensive test drive. The E2O Plus couldn't climb the steep incline from my garage in a convincing manner. However, the E2O 2 door with its lower weight feels much more powerful and can do the same slope easily.

With the new govt. policies allowing change of ICE engines to 100% EV, are there any providers who can do this in India (preferably Bangalore area)? I check with altigreen and they said while their hybrid solution is ready, the EV solution is still under development.

Volvo cars seeks clarity from government on EV infrastructure.

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@volkman10; I also saw the article. Also, note that Volvo seems to be keen on Hybrids. Now I have moved off, since we save the power plant with a pure EV. Also, the vehicle can be more compact and efficient. I think this is increasingly an overriding issue.

Delhi’s new draft electric vehicle policy has been described as “strong” and “comprehensive” ... but glaring gaps - where is the road map to supporting infrastructure?




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American startup Rivian introduced their electric vehicles at LA auto show:

Background of Rivian:
Rivian is founded by MIT graduate RJ Scaringe in 2009 and working in stealth mode all these years. They have funding of ~500 million from the likes of Sumitomo corporation and loan from Standard chartered bank. Rivian acquired 2.6 million sft ex-Mitsubishi factory in January, 2017 located in Normal, Illinois.

At LA auto show they revealed two products (R1T pickup truck and R1S SUV) both based on same skateboard platform shown below. Both vehicles will be available by end of 2020 starting with mid/high range variants and base variant will be available later.



Both vehicles comes in 3 variants with different battery capacities and ranges:



1. Rivian R1T pick up truck:













R1S SUV:

Volkswagen is skeptical of the acceptance of EV's in the volume segment, will look at alternate fuels like CNG, etc.
Will bring EV's in the Premium segment.

High costs and lack of clarity on 'EV policies' from the government are added reasons for this too.

However VW will bring the AUDI e-tron , for sale in India in 2019.

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Its true that govt's EV policies lacks vision and bringing in premium EVs initially might be a good idea, but claiming EV CO2 footprint will be same as fossil fuel cars is pathetic. There are multiple research reports from US and Europe proving coal powered EV is still much more efficient and less polluting than ICE vehicles. More efficient EV like Tesla Model 3 produces even less CO2 of 167 grams.

For example, in West Virginia state coal power share is ~95% (much higher than India). Even there, a full-electric EV produces 206 grams of CO2 while ICE vehicle produces 381 grams of CO2.
https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicle...20Long%20Range

In China also, major source of power is coal but VW is building a new 400,000 EVs per year plant there. India adding record amount of renewable energy for the last 3-4 years. In the first 6 months of 2018, we added more solar than US. Coal power plant load factors are down a lot because of renewable energy and low demand. States like Karnataka, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh have more renewable capacity than many European nations.

India is the largest market globally for auction of new renewable energy generation projects and the second-largest destination attracting clean energy investments.
https://energy.economictimes.indiati...world/66822794

There is so much non-sense in that interview its just disgusting. He is saying that even if they assemble batteries in India they need to bring cells from China. But its true for Audi e-tron or upcoming Porsche Taycan as well. They will be selling them all over the world but sourcing from China or Korea.

VW India announces a new strategy for every 2-3 years and thousands of crores investments and new market share targets. In which other country they are betting on CNG? Most likely they will change their strategy after 2 years again blaming govt policies.

VW just announced that their last vehicle with combustion engine (petrol/diesel) will be in 2026. After that they will completely focus on electric cars.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUKKBN1O32O6

I strongly believe they will be changing their timelines over the next 1-2 years and their last ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicle will be at least 2-3 years earlier than this. Even if they make any ICE vehicles after 2025, they will be irrelevant.

Honda develops NEW FLUORIDE-ION battery with NASA.

Honda has yet to indicate how far away this technology is from being commercially viable.

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EV sales increasing their market share each month in China. In November, EV sales reached 6.5% of total passenger vehicle sales growing 63% compared to November 2017. On the other hand ICE (petrol/diesel) sales are down a whopping ~ -20% compared to November 2018.

First time in 2 decades, China automobile sales are going to report negative growth in 2018. Negative growth for ICE sales and exponential growth of EVs means, all the automobile biggies will find it hard in the next 1-2 years as they are relying on worlds biggest market for growth. Hundreds of EVs are going to be released in China over next 1-2 years from many Chinese companies like BYD, BAIC, etc... and startups like NIO, Xpeng, Byton, etc...

Tata power to setup 1000 charging stations for EVs in NCR region with investment of Rs 70 crore. Tata power currently have 21 charging stations in Mumbai, Delhi and Hyderabad. Apart from 1000 new charging stations in NCR, they will also setup 100 in Mumbai.

Tata power will tie up with govt oil marketing companies like Indian Oil, Bharat petroleum, Hindustan petroleum for infrastructure (land). They will also partner with entities, such as malls, metro rail stations, hospitals, hotels, etc, beside own franchisees.

https://www.business-standard.com/ar...1700018_1.html