[dean5545]

Just found these pics of what seems to be the brochure of the 2018 Toyota Prado.



Must say that both the cruisers need a full blown upgrade and not just a facelift. The LC200 and the Prado 150 has been around since ages and that 2.8ltr D-4D engine powering the Prado is a big downer.
Source:instagram user hamad1two3(the same guy had posted pics of the LC200 before it's release worldwide.)

[agambhandari]

Completely agreed, this has been soldiering on since 2009, but I believe Toyota doesn't want to mess with the formula since it's still selling well as a competent product.
Remember that this is the company that sold the Innova and Fortuner almost unchanged for 12 years.

[Porcupine]

Is this an all new generation or are they just facelifting the current model?

It just looks like a facelift to get the looks in line with the new (facelifted) LC200 launched around 2015. They really need to get all new generations in; typically they followed the 7 year cycle for botht eh LC200 and the Prado, but the current generations have been around since 2007 and 2009, respectively. Getting a bit long in the tooth now.

[Shreyans_Jain]

Prado is pretty much irrelevant as far as the Indian auto scene goes. With prices already north of 1cr and with no hope of rationalization, this updated model will only put it further out of reach. As it is, hardly anyone buys the Prado nowadays for it is not much more than a souped up Fortuner. There are so many competent options from established players in the luxury car market. Don't see this ruffling any feathers for Merc or Audi.

Price it at 50L ex showroom, Toyota, and you will have our attention.

[vishy76]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Completely agreed, this has been soldiering on since 2009, but I believe Toyota doesn't want to mess with the formula since it's still selling well as a competent product.
Remember that this is the company that sold the Innova and Fortuner almost unchanged for 12 years.

Originally Posted by Porcupine

Is this an all new generation or are they just facelifting the current model?

It just looks like a facelift to get the looks in line with the new (facelifted) LC200 launched around 2015. They really need to get all new generations in; typically they followed the 7 year cycle for botht eh LC200 and the Prado, but the current generations have been around since 2007 and 2009, respectively. Getting a bit long in the tooth now.

Remember, even the current Innova and Fortuner are still based on mildly reworked platforms of their predecessors. This is why the wheelbase and the positioning of the pillars still remains more or less the same. Toyota has been giving us the same Innova and Fortuner for more than a decade now!

As for the Prado, Toyota seems to have done the same thing yet again. A mildly reworked platform of the previous one probably?

What does get my goat is the price.

Seriously, how does Toyota have the guts to price something like this up there near Audis and Volvos? Either ways, its the same standard formula. Worked before, will work again. Manufacturers will never learn this way.

[Porcupine]

Originally Posted by vishy76

Remember, even the current Innova and Fortuner are still based on mildly reworked platforms of their predecessors. This is why the wheelbase and the positioning of the pillars still remains more or less the same. Toyota has been giving us the same Innova and Fortuner for more than a decade now!

As for the Prado, Toyota seems to have done the same thing yet again. A mildly reworked platform of the previous one probably?

What does get my goat is the price.

Seriously, how does Toyota have the guts to price something like this up there near Audis and Volvos? Either ways, its the same standard formula. Worked before, will work again. Manufacturers will never learn this way.

True that. The only difference is the Innova and Fortuner have a formula that works. Not saying the Prado's formula doesn't, it probably does; but like you said its the price that makes this a shelf warmer in India.

What might make you angrier however, is that in India this is priced well around the 1cr mark - ex-showroom, that puts it far beyond the Audi's and Volvo's and well into Range Rover territory. That's criminal pricing.

[GTO]

I think it's Toyota simply getting complacent with their body-on-frames. And it's not just in India with the Innova & Fortuner; even their global flagship SUV - the LandCruiser / Lexus LX - feels terribly outdated. And with good reason too - the 200 Series has been around forever! This at a time when Europeans are churning out all-new generations at a faster rate.

Disappointed with this attitude, especially when you consider the fat profit margins on these old school body-on-frame UVs. Would expect Toyota to give them a li'l more love & care.

[Porcupine]

Originally Posted by GTO

I think it's Toyota simply getting complacent with their body-on-frames. And it's not just in India with the Innova & Fortuner; even their global flagship SUV - the LandCruiser / Lexus LX - feels terribly outdated. And with good reason too - the 200 Series has been around forever! This at a time when Europeans are churning out all-new generations at a faster rate.

Disappointed with this attitude, especially when you consider the fat profit margins on these old school body-on-frame UVs. Would expect Toyota to give them a li'l more love & care.

Exactly.

And I'm not sure what numbers the LC200 and Prado do internationally, but they aren't 'cheap' by any means and do compete with the Germans and Brits, and I'm pretty sure the Germans and Brits get the better of them in most markets.

The LC200 is on its whopping second facelift at the moment. The only other cars I remember this happening to are the G-Wagen (but that's a completely different story altogether), and the Range Rover Vogue, who's previous generation had a 10 year run - 2002-2012 with a couple of facelifts keeping it afloat.

[funkydevil]

The 2018 prado has been revealed. It will probably be another 4-5 years before we can expect a complete overhaul of the model.

Known in some markets as the Prado, the off-roader sold in Europe as the Land Cruiser has been on the market now since 2009. So Toyota evidently figured it was due for an update, and that's precisely what it has revealed this morning at the 2017 Frankfurt Motor Show.

Though clearly based closely on the existing model, the smaller member of the Land Cruiser lineup has been revised inside, out, and under the hood to keep it relevant in the 190+ countries around the world where it's sold – and the ten or more European countries where it leads its segment in sales.

Tweaks have been made to the frame-mounted sheetmetal, including a new hood, fenders, grille, headlamps, taillights, wheels, and front bumper. The changes aren't purely aesthetic, either: they were designed to help the driver locate the vehicle's extremities for maneuvering the large vehicle, while improving engine cooling, and adding an extra couple of inches to its overall length in the process.

The interior has likewise been updated with a new dashboard, instruments, and center console. There's a new 8-inch infotainment screen, sitting lower (once again) to enhance outwards visibility, and new trim and control surfaces as well.

European customers will be able to choose between three- and five-door bodystyles, ten exterior colors, three interior combinations, and several engine options. The 2.8-liter four-cylinder turbodiesel comes mated to a six-speed automatic or manual transmission, producing 177 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque. There's a 2.7-liter gasoline engine paired with a five-speed manual and rated at 161 hp and 181 lb-ft, and a 4.0 with a six-speed automatic at 249 hp and 281 lb-ft.

Availability depends on specific markets within Europe and in other markets. And while these updates apply to the Toyota, Americans shouldn't be surprised to see a similarly revised Lexus GX follow soon as well.

Source :- Carscoops.com

[abhishek46]

Why is not on sale in India then, if it is on sale in 190+ countries.
Given it's reputation and ruggedness, it surely has potential to 'warm' the sale chart, if not set it on fire.

These are rugged machines, they just don't "feel" old. They "are" old. But, the positive is that, in a country like ours with poor roads, they will last a lifetime.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by abhishek46

Why is not on sale in India then, if it is on sale in 190+ countries.

Given it's reputation and ruggedness, it surely has potential to 'warm' the sale chart, if not set it on fire.

It was, for the last two generations, offered in the Indian market.

Why didn't it set the sales charts on fire, you may ask?

Price! The last generation was launched back in 2014 with a humble price tag of Rs. 85 lakhs! On road prices were almost a crore, for what is a (dependable) workhorse elsewhere in the world. Expect similar prices when the new one gets launched here as well.

[karan561]

Originally Posted by abhishek46

Why is not on sale in India then, if it is on sale in 190+ countries.

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

It was, for the last two generations, offered in the Indian market.

Why didn't it set the sales charts on fire, you may ask?

Price! The last generation was launched back in 2014 with a humble price tag of Rs. 85 lakhs! On road prices were almost a crore, for what is a (dependable) workhorse elsewhere in the world. Expect similar prices when the new one gets launched here as well.

Its still on sale i believe;

http://www.toyotabharat.com/showroom...cruiser-prado/

But the webiste shows the 3L version (D4D), but other places it gets the new 2.8L (GD series) engine

[benbsb29]

The facelift modelled around that of the Land Cruiser has helped improve the looks, as compared to the dropping tear drop headlights on the previous version. I'm not so convinced about the interior though.

The Prado is the highest selling vehicle in its class here in Australia. Not surprising at all, seeing how the Toyota halo is quite well-established in this vast country. Even amongst my acquaintances, i know about 5 people who drive Prados!