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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() So news is out that you cant switch the DSC entire off in the manual M5. A pity keeping in mind the statement of CEO (BMW N/A): Quote:
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Is this only for US market or global? Americans are trigger happy when it comes to sueing and BMW had problems with engines when E46 M3 came out. |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() I dont think its USA specific. But would it not be simple to get an after-market solution to this? |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Oh yeah. I am sure BMW tuners are laughing all the way to the bank. Remapping probably of both ECU as well as DSC controller. |
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| ![]() In a recent Car and Driver comparo between the M5, S6 and the E63, they chose to include the manual version of the M5. It was full half a second slower than the SMG to 60mph, and slower round the track too. Not surprisingly, it came last in that test. Whats more, it was also the most expensive. |
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And im sure a lot of die hard enthusiasts would agree with me too! As for not being able to entirely switch off the DSC.... i dont think its SUCH a huge issue.... but will have to wait and see exactly how intrusive it is on its lowest setting. cya R | |
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| ![]() i dont understand the deal with BMW to offer manuals only in America. regarding ~sajo's post, mayb the m5 manual is slower than the SMG but it just very simply is more fun to drive. it wud make u feel that u propelled it 60 mph, not some box of electronics. but what i dont understand is that why i care, i aint spending those $80k. but BMW should. And I really mean, should sell the manual everywhere. OT: since the manual is not available nowhere outside US, the M5s imported in India, are all SMGs? |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() @ sajo - i was going to say that. Did you notice that even though the audi was better in almost everything, the merc won by 1 point? Unfair dude! @Rehaan - It would be the S6 for me. A Lamborghini Gallardo engine. Droooool!! The M5 is noce no doubt but the manual ain't as impressive as the old one. Would rather get the M3. |
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| ![]() Official explanation from BMW: BMW explains why it’s manual transmission E60 BMW M5’s DSC stability control cannot be disabled.The issue is with the huge amount of power and torque that the engine outputs - it causes excessive axle tramp. What is axle tramp exactly? Axle tramp is when a wheel moves up and down very very violently, with such force that it actually leaves the ground - like a car hopping. A problem with putting power down to the wheels, worse than torque steer. It is caused by the axle rotating slightly with the wheels then springing back repeatedly. With the 7-speed SMG III-equipped E60 BMW M5, BMW could fine tune the operation of clutch plates to combat axle tramp during crazy tyre burning starts even with DSC off, but this was just not possible with a pure manual gearbox with a pedal-operated clutch. BMW’s solution - leave DSC permanently on but offer a mode that is less intervening called M Dynamic. Source: www.paultan.org |
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| ![]() Did not know about axle tramp earlier,will make it a point to watch the movie and look out for the phenomenon. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() isnt it the same as wheel hop?? |
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If always my Computer controls my driving style then why should i wanna drive a BMW .I could do that in a Civic or Corolla itself !.. Bad excuse BMW. | |
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