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also the point that i mentioned about tires was for the Z06 and is no speculation, i laid down the proof for you. As for the SS, if we are to believe the man who is responsible for the machines you will clearly see without a shadow of doubt that the SS will anhilate the CGT on a track, like i said I have been involved with people who can afford all these mad machines from GT3 RS to 997 Turbo to Z06 to F430 and CGT and SLRs and they all say there is hardly any diff if any between the Z06 and the higher priced cars. the only diff i already pointed out, the fit and finish which you can change for a mere 20-30k(maybach quality, hand stiched and everything) and road feel, which could be had with change in suspension for something like 4-5k which still leaves you with a ton of money in your pocket. But i know its not always about how fast you are when you are buying the high $$ cars, so i never say that i compare them that way but in pure performance, sorry it is extreemly tough beating a corvette.. BTW it actually shows poor on porsche that after such high $$ and high quality mods (1,2,3) they still are only an inch away from a vette..so your pointing out the advantages really didnt do any good for porsche, if it would have made it miles ahead of the corvette, it would have made a ton of sense..even these high $$ mods go in their super expensive CGT, so it is awesome that they gave us these technologies but the vette team showed us that you could still be about there without one of those high tech machinery.. Last edited by 1Day : 17th April 2007 at 03:27. | |
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but when you make an educated decision, you will see that is really not true, corvette is no longer a cheaper solution, but its the solution with the other premium brands, because they are equally and most likely more capable with minor drawbacks which could be overlooked.. but then again, havent we all grown up to love and admire porsches and ferraris and lambos just cuz what they are and their unattainable image.. | |
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As for the CGT, their 5.7 litre engine produces 612 bhp whereas the Z06's 7 litre engine puts out 500bhp. I know the price difference but for me, in the se small details is where the difference is. But I guess it's each to his own. | |
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BHPian | ![]() Oh no, not the displacement to power wars again. Take into account the turbos, the Z06 is naturally aspirated whereas the Porsches are forcefully inducted. Also the 7.0L V8 enables the Z06 to get the torque at a broader RPM range making it more of an everyday driveable car in traffic as well as on the track. Think about it, 0-160 mph in 4th gear (Jeremy Clarkson in TG). They've tried to make it look like a roadcar with racing capabilities. I'm almost certain that the Porches are incapable of such feats because of the power and torque delivery on their engines. They are designed more for track use than road use. |
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I dont want to argue about Corvette vs. anything else, but I beg to differ on this. Just being rich enough to buy all the cars you said these people bought doesnt qualify them enough to judge them. |
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Also sports are deemed to be compared for performance and thats what I am doing, not an over all "one is better than the other", but one is faster than the other in straight line or on a track and with supporting proof.. Last edited by 1Day : 17th April 2007 at 07:39. | |
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even the F599 GTB is a 5.9L engine, the point of making a big engine vs small is entirely based on company's philosophy. The F599's engine alone costs as much as the Z06 whereas that 7.0L 505hp engine is about 12k, so there is a diff and i can tell u that F599 engine is not half as reliable as the z06... Last edited by 1Day : 17th April 2007 at 07:28. | |
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Senior - BHPian | ![]() 1000 laps on the ring. Wow. Even Sabine Schmidt pales in comparison. So do these people race against other people who own similar cars or is it just by themselves? SCCA? Autocross? |
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Tut, tut. Informed people do not make such cocky statements. Do you have reliability data to prove this "fact"? Race finishes? Anything at all to back this up? | ||
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![]() but the guy who had 1000+ ring laps was a US army guy posted in germany and had a C5Z06 and a GT3 which he use to track with. The other guys usually do track days in their local tracks like Autobahn in joliet, some of the guys are from las vegas, so they go to their local tracks their and most of them have had multiple sessions in spring mountain driving course along with PIR and more tracks, all they do is track as many weekend as they can, I have asked one of the guys to take me along this summer, its an expensive habit with new brake pads and tires every so often, so i have kept away from that..but would likely be joining them starting this summer, or atleast i hope so..that is if my wife decides my shoes are more important than hers ![]() Last edited by 1Day : 17th April 2007 at 08:16. | |
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anyhow i think that the whole displacement game is a little overrated with people who read about the stuff rather than see it for real, its like mac vs pc, 2 different philosophies for 2 different manufacturers.. Also as for the comment about F599's engine, well i was only going by bad rep's ferraris have with their up keeps, its nothing new..i am sure ferrari has made great strides but if you really think that the italians are making reliable machines then you need to do a little more research on the net by actual owners, you will be suprised, they have quite a lot of issues..so based on the percentage i made my statement.. Last edited by 1Day : 17th April 2007 at 08:48. | |
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My bad. I meant the 911 Turbo. But look at the power and torque figures for the Carrera GT. 600 HP but only 440 ft lbs of torque. Whereas the Z06 has 500 HP and 470 ft lbs of torque. What does that tell you? |
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but they cant give away 1000 bhp cars since it would be difficult to drive them to the office and back hence removing the daily use sports car tag. | |
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Senior - BHPian | ![]() It tells me that a 7 liter engine makes only 30 lb-ft more than a 5.7 liter engine. Quote:
There are Honda Civics that do 8 seconds. Your claim that american cars do 6,7 or 8 seconds from displacement alone therefore proves NOTHING. I agree the Corvette has innovated new manufacturing methods and new materials for mass-production like balsa wood etc, but as a technological powerhouse, it fails. As a show of engine technology, it fails. I doubt anything can change that. Maybe it is a better everyday sportscar, but dont anyone EVER try to tell me that you use even 10% of its capabilities on the street. I wont take that bull-crap. Sportscars' capabilities are measured on the track. Not on the street. And on the track, the present-day Carrera GT is faster than ANY present day Corvette. What happens in the future is different. | |
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