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Originally Posted by ananthkamath why would i care if its ugly. thats totally besides the point. |
I agree it doesnt validate anything, but that was only a venting of my personal opinion on the car's looks, but i do give it props for being fast and when tuned right to be very quick.
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Uninformed is right. Here's a video of the exact same Crawford Performance STi at Willow Springs: Subaru STi vs Corvette Z06 - Google Video
Read the sidebar. It says the Z06 set the lap record of 1.28.7 and the STi was faster at 1.26.8 .
On the drag strip: STI Vs Corvette With NOS Video
I'm not saying all STi's are faster, just saying it is possible and it has been done.
But you totally missed my point (or didnt care enough to address it), which was:
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Ok here is my analysis on this and infact i got people who were there that day, all I had to do was ask what happened here by experts who run this circuit.
Firstly never ever try and compare cars with different drivers and especially a highly track tuned car with a regular street car.
I compared professional times from professional drivers on a race track(even though i know walter has much more experience than john). There is a 350hp highly tuned Chevy Aveo(ewhh!!) that runs big willow in the low 1.20s on that track but that thing is striped to the boot and with full blown track setup, now does that make Chevy Aveo better car than any of the cars in Q. I dont think so. The reason is because it was a highly tuned track setup with unbelievable brakes, suspension, light as hell and had a "near-pro" driver driving that car..
The C6Z06 driver made some mistakes in that video, i could point them out to you with a timeline if you want. This STi driver as I have come to know is an extreemly "pro-like" driver with sh!t load of experience. Did you see how the C6Z06 let the guy go buy when it was not really required(its towards the end). I have witneses who were there that day and who know both the drivers very well. The C6Z06 driver wasnt there to prove anything on the track where as the STi driver was pretty much running a "commerical" for crawford and i think the video had it all wrong(saw another video of this car), the Power on this car is not 450whp it is more like 650hp and it is lightened(i dont know by how much, stis are really light cars) and has track suspension and brakes which are extremely extremely important. I am not taking anything away from this STi but it was a very highly tuned version of the car which really doesnt give an apples to apples comparison, i was comparing almost stock setup with CGT and Z06. Anyhow surely this STi @ willow had a kick @$$ setup and driver with all props to them.
And in the 400m race, let me not get started, it was a base C6 with a bad bad driver(with too wheel spin on terrible surface) where as the Sti had AWD going for it. Even a fool could launch a powerful AWD car,
Anyhow the important video was the willow springs one and it seems according to the experts that these times were almost as quick as a bullet on this track as for stock cars 1.30 is almost an upper limit. In my(and some expert) opinion the Z06 can easily reduce the time down to the STi with some skilled driver and a minor track setup(sway bar change and some suspension tunning)
But in the end this video showed how great the STi is when setup like a mad machine but doesnt show that the STi is more powerful overall.
And with respect to your argument that would anyone look at the Vette in comparison to the CGT, i probably dont think so and you are right but i always talked about performance(and was mostly keep it stock, where as you tried to compare a really track modded car with a stock version).
Still thanks for the video it was good to discuss this with people and get to know more on what was happening that day.
(Sorry for the delay had product launch last 2 days)