[alpha1]

Looks to me that China is the most Laissez-faire capitalist of all the other nations put together.

Where else would you find the ruthlessness for cutting down the costs and increasing profits? Even Americans appear socialist (with tons of regulations) in comparison.


But then as a free-market consumer I get the cheapest price, why should I care what happens behind the scene, as long as I am not being the crash test dummy.

[libranof1987]

Originally Posted by Guna

This is very disturbing and if this is true, we should boycott Chinese cars

As disturbing as this looks, the human race has put several species through traumatic, inhuman, far more troubling situations over the course of time for selfish reasons. Some of them have been for human good (development of vaccinations for instance). Where and how do we draw the line?

Also, this is China. This is their way or you won't have a voice to express your way.

[digitalnirvana]

Originally Posted by jailbird_fynix

This is madness! I'm so outraged that I'm gonna go drive my MG Hector into a river. Then maybe later, I could go home and have some yummy fried bacon for dinner.

Seriously, how is it different if the pig died as a crash test dummy or for bacon? How is this different from the countless number of other animals still being killed (for whatever purpose) in the U.S or every other country?

Seriously?

You're going to compare an alive pig with a cadaver or a crash test dummy? It's a strawman argument at best, and deflection at worst.

A pig being butchered for food doesn't have to (if proper processes are followed) die in a crash and spend its last moments in absolute terror, strapped in helplessly and then die of physical trauma. Studies have conclusively proved that happier livestock animals have better quality of meat. Hence the emphasis on free range, grass fed and so on in the West.

Give me one country where the preferred way to kill a livestock animal is to splatter its blood and body as roadkill? Not to mention that roadkill is often not suitable for consumption because internal organs burst and fluids taint the meat. That's why even Deer hunting is a skilled activity and not just going bang bang at an animal with a shotgun.

The Yulin dog meat festival has documented cases of pet dogs being kidnapped in addition to all the strays that they kill in the fair. Not to mention those videos which show dogs being beaten black and blue before they're killed, or worse boiling them alive or stripping their skin off alive... Just because the pheromones reacting to pain apparently flavor the meat!

Defend China or any other country all you like but be honest enough to call out the atrocities. Else it's a slippery slope down, and a short one at that. This goes for ALL countries, cultures and groups by the way.

[V.Narayan]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-pigs-cambodia

This is but one of hundreds of videos of how pigs (and, I assume, other animals) are slaughtered for pork in SE Asia and China. While I do not support killing pigs the slow miserable way in car accident tests it seems no different to me than killing them for pork & bacon on the breakfast table. Why the squeamishness and morality. If we think these or any animal is slaughtered in a humane way then have a look at the next video of how they do it in Australia allegedly a land of rules and propriety unlike those barbaric Chinese.

https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/m...ter-australia/

The Chinese are not doing anything more cruel and reprehensible than what all countries are doing in their slaughter houses. The narrative of the humane and quick abattoir is I believe more a marketing propaganda by the meat industry for the most part.

I am not preaching about being a vegetarian. Just that I find it stupid and hypocritical for a western journal to raise this point when they slaughter millions upon millions of animals each year in conditions that are often far from humane.

And this is from Belgium, allegedly monitored by Euro standards.

https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/m...laughterhouse/

PS: These videos are disturbing. View with caution

[revsperminute]

Not at all surprised to see these barbaric practices being exercised in China. Just look at the Concentration camps in Ürümqi. If they can stoop down to such levels for humans, this is the least of their capabilities.

[landcruiser123]

I side with folks who say that the Chinese are unfairly being targeted. This is just one of many cruel acts performed for the betterment of mankind. Agreed that the Chinese have no morals (google the misuse of CRISPR,) but animal cruelty happens a lot around the world and is not talked about.

Think of all the leather in your car seats, steering wheels, gear levels, belts, wallets, shoes, jackets etc. India is one of the largest exporter of beef and leather too. Even though vegan leather is a viable option, many still buy original leather goods. What about testing of drugs & beauty products on animals?

[pseudo_coder]

Humans are so cruel to animals in every area, that criticizing any single type of atrocity sounds hypocritical.

You shout about crash tests, but eat meat?

You criticize meat eating, but use leather?

You are a vegan, but Ok with cruelty to oxen in farming?

If we aim for zero hypocrisy, no betterment is possible. And it won't do any good to the animals. Better to accept our hypocrisy, and try to reduce it. Out of billions of unfortunate animals that die every year, let our actions make a positive difference to even one.

[greenhorn]

The west has no qualms on testing cosmetics on animals, but crash testing is bad.
So much Hypocrisy - does first world beauty matter more than third world safety?

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by greenhorn

The west has no qualms on testing cosmetics on animals, but crash testing is bad.
So much Hypocrisy - does first world beauty matter more than third world safety?

Please stop ‘what-aboutisms’. The west are not the epitome of human or animals rights either, I agree. But I don’t think China should be left off the hook just because the west hasn’t completely gotten their act together either.

[am1m]

The piece sounded like click-bait, but seems legit. But why would a car manufacturer want to use anything but a crash test dummy shaped like a human for crash tests? A pig is not the same shape and size as a human, so what results and conclusions would using one for this (barbaric) purpose serve? And don't crash test dummies have sensors that record data? If it is just to cut costs, then why not just not do any tests and leave it at that? Crazy.

Equating using a live animal as a crash test dummy to eating meat or using an animal for scientific/medical research purposes seems an invalid argument. This is just waay more cruel and doesn't seem to serve any useful purpose.

[charanreddy]

All arguments on how we humans are inconsiderate about animals aside, the manner in which the pigs die sound horrible. We can rationalize all we want on how killing any animal is the same and that death comes to anyone or any living thing but strapping it, literally scaring it to death or worse mutilating it and letting it live is horrible. I am not too convinced on the economy part. How many cars and models are crash tested and how much can you save by replacing dummies with animals ?

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by am1m

Equating using a live animal as a crash test dummy to eating meat or using an animal for scientific/medical research purposes seems an invalid argument. This is just waay more cruel and doesn't seem to serve any useful purpose.

Another point I wanted to make! We use animals for scientific research in my field (mostly fishes) but we have strict SOPs we need to follow to ensure that the fishes don’t feel the pain. And before killing them, we always use anestesia to ensure that they never feel the pain. This procedure is even followed in India but not in countries like China and Vietnam where the fishes are just killed with a hammer without any anestesia due to the lack of regulations.

Even in India, we’ve come a long way! The UGC has banned animal dissections in universities till the Masters level. Compare that to my parent’s time when they had to dissect rats even in high school!

We are not perfect in the science field but we are actively trying to reduce suffering as much as possible and trying to find ways to research without using live animals for testing. With improvements in machine learning and computer modeling, I think a day will come when we won’t need live animals for testing in any science field but that day isn’t today.

Hence indeed, all animal testing aren’t the same. This news if true is barbaric in this day and age! If the West and the Russians used animals in the past, it was a time when we didn’t know better and society wasn’t as understanding about the suffering of animals as we do now! So please don’t compare and dilute the severity of this problem.

[2000rpm]

I am borderline on this. Though China is a very brutal country, I think all of us are equally bad when it comes to animal treatment. Starting from Bakri Eid, thanks giving (turkey tradition), Fishing, hunting, even poultry is carried out horribly in India.

What I dont understand is, why does a pig make any sense, Pigs have small limbs and the way their body will be impacted during a crash, will be very different than how a human would be impacted. My legs will prevent a chest collusion first, followed by protection from my arms. A pig has none of these defense mechanisms!

[Guna]

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

What I dont understand is, why does a pig make any sense, Pigs have small limbs and the way their body will be impacted during a crash, will be very different than how a human would be impacted. My legs will prevent a chest collusion first, followed by protection from my arms. A pig has none of these defense mechanisms!

I believe that chances of pigs also surviving is also much higher than humans as they have thick skins and lot of fat. I have heard (not sure about the authenticity) that killing them in slaughterhouses is also difficult and more torturous. It is ironical how the evolution path certain animals have taken for their survival is playing against them now (in the hands of humans).

[svsantosh]

We Indians love animals and prefer self sacrifice over killing them.

Proof Pun Intended!