The Koenigsegg CCR SLAMS Mclarens F1 for a new World Record

GTO · 5th March 2005, 17:25

Comparison chart results at Nardo/Prototipo for Production cars:

1. Koenigsegg CCR 388 km/h
2. McLaren F1 372 km/h
3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h
4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h
4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h
5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h

On February the 28th 2005, at 12.08 local time, the Koenigsegg CCR broke the production road car speed record, achieving a new official top speed of 388 (387.87) km/h at Italy?s Nardo Prototipo proving ground.

The Koenigsegg CCR raised McLaren's previously unofficial mark of 372 km/h set at Nardo/Prototipo in 1993 with over 15 km/h. On top of this the CCR broke the official McLaren F1 record of 386.7 km/h, which was set on the 9 km straight line VW Ehra facility in Wolfsburg Germany.

Long time coming, eh? BTW Gordon Murray had predicted that there will be a slew of modern cars that will one day break his record. But not one of them will be a true all rounder like the Mac

GTO

Source : Official Koenigsegg Website Linky

Stratos · 5th March 2005, 17:42

The CCR is awesome compared to all current supercars and breaking the record of the F1 is a damm good thing. BUT, I still respect the Mclaren F1 for making this kind of speed 8 years back and that too with a naturally aspirated engine. Thats wat rather makes it more speacial to me than the CCR!!

typeOnegative · 5th March 2005, 17:52

Swedish isn't it? I remember some excahnge students in B-School going hyper about this car.

ameya · 5th March 2005, 18:13

This is wierd. have people forgotten these ?

1. porsche 962 dauer LM 403kph 50nos. built
2. b.engineering - Edonis 365kph 21nos "
3. Saleen twin turbo 2005
4. Ferrari gto evoluzione 370kph 5 built
5. SSC Aero SC/8T 401 kph. 25 to be built

will someone pl. tell me what the exact implication of "Production road car " is ? why is the ccr a roadcar and dauer962 not one ?

is there an official body that records these speeds or what ?
someone pl. clarify

Shan2nu · 5th March 2005, 18:19

Hey, but the top speed of the Mclaren isn't 372kmph. These guys are using some unofficial top speed to make the CCR look better.

The official top speed of the Mclaren is around 241 mph or 385.6 kmph.

And like Stratos said, the brilliance of the McLaren is in it's BMW engine which, in spite of being naturally aspirated, achieved this some 8 years ago.

With 806bhp and 920nm of torque, this car should have cracked the 400kmph barrier.

Shan2nu

Stratos · 5th March 2005, 18:22

Well is it something like the 962 , Saleen and all were race cars developed into roadlegal cars... whereas... the Enzo, CCR are originally cars developed for road use???
I may be wrong!!

Shan2nu · 5th March 2005, 18:26

Quote:

is there an official body that records these speeds or what ?

Just what i was thinking. Coz i have a vid of a Mclaren reaching 391kmph. But the official top speed is around 385-386kmph, very confusing.

Shan2nu

shravan316 · 5th March 2005, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Coz i have a vid of a Mclaren reaching 391kmph. But the official top speed is around 385-386kmph, very confusing.

Shan2nu

Even i have that video, and this 386kmph putting doubts in my mind.

ameya · 5th March 2005, 22:20

you ought to know that nardo is a circular banked track.the mclaren video shows it doing 391 on a straight piece of road. the banked track exerts additional/different forces on the car namely the centrifugal force mv2/r that tends to throw it out.it is bound to affect the speed.

Stratos · 5th March 2005, 22:39

Well Ameya...if I am not wrong the Nardo is banked so it becomes artificially straight you do not need to turn the steering wheel. So dont use those formulas as the banking overcomes the centrifugal force!!

They say every 10mph over 200mph on Nardo relates to an extra 4mph on a perfectly straight and flat road!

SPEED_DEMON82 · 5th March 2005, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ameya

This is wierd. have people forgotten these ?

1. porsche 962 dauer LM 403kph 50nos. built
2. b.engineering - Edonis 365kph 21nos "
3. Saleen twin turbo 2005
4. Ferrari gto evoluzione 370kph 5 built
5. SSC Aero SC/8T 401 kph. 25 to be built

will someone pl. tell me what the exact implication of "Production road car " is ? why is the ccr a roadcar and dauer962 not one ?

is there an official body that records these speeds or what ?
someone pl. clarify

Hey Ameya as far as from what i have heard.....a production road is one , of which a min number of atleast 100 or so are produced along with the cars for various crash and safety tests. This is what i know about it. If anyone else could shed some more light here...would be great

Cheers!!!

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v1p3r · 6th March 2005, 02:58

mclaren 391 could be a speedo error, if the vid shows the internal speedo. just a thought. my apologies if the speed is corroborated by gps or laser/radar.

Deeps · 6th March 2005, 19:19

CCR beats the Mclaren F1! So what? To me and many others, the Mclaren F1 is the ultimate supercar of all time and will remain that way for the foreseeable future at leat.

turbo_v12 · 8th March 2005, 22:18

The Mclaren F1 has actually clocked a speed of 386kph (240mph), that's just 2 kmph down on the Koenigsegg...and the latter has been a prototype since say 4 years now...and as Deeps said, the McLaren F1 will still remain the ultimate sportscar. And now even Gordon Murray has quit Mclaren, and the prototype McLaren P8 has been cancelled.

ported_head · 8th March 2005, 22:25

Wasn't a Koenigsegg rumoured to have clocked 242 mph at a Gumball event too?
And is the CCR a production model? I thought the last one was CC8S.

Though I don't question it's straight line abilities, I haven't heard it break any records on the NS yet.

5th March 2005, 17:25	#1
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,520 Thanked: 300,710 Times View My Garage	The Koenigsegg CCR SLAMS Mclarens F1 for a new World Record Comparison chart results at Nardo/Prototipo for Production cars: 1. Koenigsegg CCR 388 km/h 2. McLaren F1 372 km/h 3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h 4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h 4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h 5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h On February the 28th 2005, at 12.08 local time, the Koenigsegg CCR broke the production road car speed record, achieving a new official top speed of 388 (387.87) km/h at Italy?s Nardo Prototipo proving ground. The Koenigsegg CCR raised McLaren's previously unofficial mark of 372 km/h set at Nardo/Prototipo in 1993 with over 15 km/h. On top of this the CCR broke the official McLaren F1 record of 386.7 km/h, which was set on the 9 km straight line VW Ehra facility in Wolfsburg Germany. Long time coming, eh? BTW Gordon Murray had predicted that there will be a slew of modern cars that will one day break his record. But not one of them will be a true all rounder like the Mac GTO Source : Official Koenigsegg Website Linky
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5th March 2005, 17:42	#2
Stratos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,609 Thanked: 1,449 Times View My Garage	The CCR is awesome compared to all current supercars and breaking the record of the F1 is a damm good thing. BUT, I still respect the Mclaren F1 for making this kind of speed 8 years back and that too with a naturally aspirated engine. Thats wat rather makes it more speacial to me than the CCR!!
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5th March 2005, 17:52	#3
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,503 Thanked: 27 Times	Swedish isn't it? I remember some excahnge students in B-School going hyper about this car.
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5th March 2005, 18:13	#4
ameya BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 69 Thanked: 4 Times	what happened to the................ This is wierd. have people forgotten these ? 1. porsche 962 dauer LM 403kph 50nos. built 2. b.engineering - Edonis 365kph 21nos " 3. Saleen twin turbo 2005 4. Ferrari gto evoluzione 370kph 5 built 5. SSC Aero SC/8T 401 kph. 25 to be built will someone pl. tell me what the exact implication of "Production road car " is ? why is the ccr a roadcar and dauer962 not one ? is there an official body that records these speeds or what ? someone pl. clarify
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5th March 2005, 18:19	#5
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 125 Times View My Garage	Hey, but the top speed of the Mclaren isn't 372kmph. These guys are using some unofficial top speed to make the CCR look better. The official top speed of the Mclaren is around 241 mph or 385.6 kmph. And like Stratos said, the brilliance of the McLaren is in it's BMW engine which, in spite of being naturally aspirated, achieved this some 8 years ago. With 806bhp and 920nm of torque, this car should have cracked the 400kmph barrier. Shan2nu Last edited by Shan2nu : 5th March 2005 at 18:57.
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Stratos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,609 Thanked: 1,449 Times View My Garage	Well is it something like the 962 , Saleen and all were race cars developed into roadlegal cars... whereas... the Enzo, CCR are originally cars developed for road use??? I may be wrong!! Last edited by Stratos : 5th March 2005 at 18:25.
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5th March 2005, 22:20	#9
ameya BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 69 Thanked: 4 Times	you ought to know that nardo is a circular banked track.the mclaren video shows it doing 391 on a straight piece of road. the banked track exerts additional/different forces on the car namely the centrifugal force mv2/r that tends to throw it out.it is bound to affect the speed. Last edited by Stratos : 5th March 2005 at 22:40.
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5th March 2005, 22:39	#10
Stratos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,609 Thanked: 1,449 Times View My Garage	Well Ameya...if I am not wrong the Nardo is banked so it becomes artificially straight you do not need to turn the steering wheel. So dont use those formulas as the banking overcomes the centrifugal force!! They say every 10mph over 200mph on Nardo relates to an extra 4mph on a perfectly straight and flat road! Last edited by Stratos : 5th March 2005 at 22:42.
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6th March 2005, 02:58	#12
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	mclaren 391 could be a speedo error, if the vid shows the internal speedo. just a thought. my apologies if the speed is corroborated by gps or laser/radar.
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Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,116 Thanked: 170 Times	CCR beats the Mclaren F1! So what? To me and many others, the Mclaren F1 is the ultimate supercar of all time and will remain that way for the foreseeable future at leat.
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8th March 2005, 22:18	#14
turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	The Mclaren F1 has actually clocked a speed of 386kph (240mph), that's just 2 kmph down on the Koenigsegg...and the latter has been a prototype since say 4 years now...and as Deeps said, the McLaren F1 will still remain the ultimate sportscar. And now even Gordon Murray has quit Mclaren, and the prototype McLaren P8 has been cancelled.
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8th March 2005, 22:25	#15
ported_head Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 2,387 Thanked: 20 Times	Wasn't a Koenigsegg rumoured to have clocked 242 mph at a Gumball event too? And is the CCR a production model? I thought the last one was CC8S. Though I don't question it's straight line abilities, I haven't heard it break any records on the NS yet. Last edited by ported_head : 8th March 2005 at 22:27.
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