China is the new Big Daddy! Out with the USA

narry · 17th April 2009, 21:33

hi
i am living in china and hongkong since past 9 years
in my home in china shenzen
i mean my building parking lots
u can find all famous brands like bmw benz jaguar
land rover yes
there many rich people in china also car sold in china mainland are not cheap either but u will be suprise that mercedes and bmw car have waiting period of more than 3 month
so u can understand that buying power of chinese people have increased a lot
also they have huge road and free way i really enjoying driving
there also car modification market is also very big
i have seen people installing ice in few honda crvs which costing 3 times more than the cost of the car
well the chinese have simple philosopy why do r& d
if u can copy

narry

amulu10 · 17th April 2009, 21:49

@ above well said. even though i admire the Chinese for their manufacturing ability and their cheap price, the same cant be said about the quality.We can use and throw a cheap Chinese mobile but i am not ready to take the risk with my life driving these Chinese copycars.
until they come up with some real original designs they aren't going anywhere. This is where tata has to be applauded for coming up with a decent(actually good one in the europa variant) design even though it is 1 lakh car when they could have very well created a basic box with wheels .

Gagan.js · 17th April 2009, 23:11

Hey come on, these are proper automobiles that have passed tests and all that hoo hah. Not like the large scale manufacturing of chinese toys or something.

It's great that Asia is overtaking the west in various aspects. Yay!

deepclutch · 18th April 2009, 00:30

the international brands available on chinese market-Any stats about the % of localization ?

Parm · 18th April 2009, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gagan.js

Hey come on, these are proper automobiles that have passed tests and all that hoo hah. Not like the large scale manufacturing of chinese toys or something.

It's great that Asia is overtaking the west in various aspects. Yay!

can you give some links where the chinese have pass the tests?

The chinese vehicles have FAILED crash tests in Europe, which has the toughest tests!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/4476/chi...-test-video-2/

YouTube - Chinese Auto Crash Test Compilation

Gagan.js · 18th April 2009, 11:49

Woops I got the impression you guys were talking about cars from the real brands, my bad.

What percentage of cars being bought in China are replicas?

The topic is about China being the biggest market, so the majority of cars are the real thing, lets not put China down. Their government actually has the will to improve their infrastructure and improve policies and are now emerging as the biggest market. Good for them.

It's not only China making replicas right? How about all the super car replicas people around the world are making

GTO · 18th April 2009, 16:08

Bottomline : China has always had the demand & the customers. Now, more & more Chinese are getting purchasing power too!

@ Vasudeva : Awesome reads on those links.

nitrous · 18th April 2009, 16:52

Can someone post the on-road prices of cars that are sold in both China and India?
Eg.: BMW 320i; 320d,325i , Merc C200K, C220 CDI, VW Jetta, Suzuki Swift 1.3, Toyota Corolla Altis 1.8, Honda ANHC 1.5 VTEC, Honda Civic 1.8

Please consider and include models (lxi/vxi/zxi/s/v...) while posting the prices.

narry · 18th April 2009, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

Can someone post the on-road prices of cars that are sold in both China and India?
Eg.: BMW 320i; 320d,325i , Merc C200K, C220 CDI, VW Jetta, Suzuki Swift 1.3, Toyota Corolla Altis 1.8, Honda ANHC 1.5 VTEC, Honda Civic 1.8

Please consider and include models (lxi/vxi/zxi/s/v...) while posting the prices.

hi
since there are so many car models is will take long time posting price but what information i know i will post
mercedes e230 made in beijing china price on road with taxes
rmb 510,000 ( he got 50k rmb discount msrp is much higher)
this my freind buy in shenzen
e350 avantgarde made in germany 748,000 msrp
e280 sports model made in germany 638,000 rmb
e200k elegance made in china beijing or can say assmebled in china
498,000 rmb
s class all made in germany
prices
s300l business 930,000 rmb
s300 exclusive 993,000 rmb
s350 4 matic 1,448,000 rmb

some other brands
like vw passat 2.0 tsi engine dsg gear box full luxuray version
299,000 rmb with dvd 9 air bags etc
this price included tax and insurance(made in china)
bmw 120 i 4 clyinder made in germany 299,000 rmb made in germany
BMW 130I 6 Cylinder v6 480,000 rmb made in germany
bmw 3 series and 5 series mostly made in china except
twin turb 331 something
well i am lazy to type more prices
ok japanse brands
toyota corola full load version 1.8 l with autmatic gps dvd etc
220,000 rmb made in china
toyota carmy made in china 2.5 full load approx 275,000 rmb
toyota yaris made in china 1.6 l new 4z series engine 125,000rmb
manuel type
honda accord 3.5 my freind buy 420,000 rmb made in japan
honda accord 2.4 made in china 255,000 rmb
honda new city 1.8 l with civic engine made in china
full load 1,66,000 rmb

more will right when i have time
also for calculation rmb to in india ruppes as per xe.com
1.00 CNY

=

7.27647 INR

this price is approx miated may not be accurate

ps i am not car sales man
i am a software and hardware enginner
regards
narry

vinaydas · 18th April 2009, 23:34

Chinese brands will make it into India someday.
know who knows some one might be driving a Replica "Farrari"

SirAlec · 19th April 2009, 00:37

i read some where..

Life is bliss if you drive a german car, eat chinese food, have an indian wife on an american salary.

Its hell when you drive a chinese car, eat german food, have an american wife on an indian salary.

suren181 · 19th April 2009, 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirAlec

i read some where..

Life is bliss if you drive a german car, eat chinese food, have an indian wife on an american salary.

Its hell when you drive a chinese car, eat german food, have an american wife on an indian salary.

Sir, doesn't that amount to hearsay?

Would like to be know if perchance, or regularly, you have had the experience of driving a chinese made car?

ashutoshb · 19th April 2009, 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parm

Chinese have a very strong R&D (Research & Duplicate) and that sure helps them in becoming the Largest car manufacturer!

here are some fine examples of R&D!

we can call it 'The Triumph of the Clones'!!

lamborghini · 20th April 2009, 06:25

Just came across this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/bu...orsche.html?hp

Some interesting bits:
SHANGHAI — Porsche unveiled its entry into the luxury sedan market here on Sunday night, the eve of the Shanghai auto show. It was the latest confirmationof the importance of the Chi nese auto market and the first time that Porsche has entered a new market segment at an auto show outside Europe or North America.

Auto sales rose 10 percent last month in China to a new record, and exceeded sales in the United States for the third month in a row as the world’s largest single-country market. That has prompted automakers from around the world to pay particular attention to the Chinese market, with a range of new models to be introduced here.

sujaylahiri · 22nd April 2009, 10:03

Car sales have been pretty strong in Brazil as well, which is also one of the largest emerging markets for the auto industry.

The way things are right now, only these developing countries will be able to "bail out" the troubled automakers out of their miseries.

17th April 2009, 21:33	#16
narry BANNED Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: shenzen Posts: 154 Thanked: 25 Times	is a fact gto hi i am living in china and hongkong since past 9 years in my home in china shenzen i mean my building parking lots u can find all famous brands like bmw benz jaguar land rover yes there many rich people in china also car sold in china mainland are not cheap either but u will be suprise that mercedes and bmw car have waiting period of more than 3 month so u can understand that buying power of chinese people have increased a lot also they have huge road and free way i really enjoying driving there also car modification market is also very big i have seen people installing ice in few honda crvs which costing 3 times more than the cost of the car well the chinese have simple philosopy why do r& d if u can copy narry
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17th April 2009, 21:49	#17
amulu10 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: detroit Posts: 243 Thanked: 19 Times	@ above well said. even though i admire the Chinese for their manufacturing ability and their cheap price, the same cant be said about the quality.We can use and throw a cheap Chinese mobile but i am not ready to take the risk with my life driving these Chinese copycars. until they come up with some real original designs they aren't going anywhere. This is where tata has to be applauded for coming up with a decent(actually good one in the europa variant) design even though it is 1 lakh car when they could have very well created a basic box with wheels .
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17th April 2009, 23:11	#18
Gagan.js BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 227 Thanked: Once	Hey come on, these are proper automobiles that have passed tests and all that hoo hah. Not like the large scale manufacturing of chinese toys or something. It's great that Asia is overtaking the west in various aspects. Yay!
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18th April 2009, 00:30	#19
deepclutch Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Muvattupuzha Posts: 1,165 Thanked: 162 Times	the international brands available on chinese market-Any stats about the % of localization ?
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18th April 2009, 11:49	#21
Gagan.js BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 227 Thanked: Once	Woops I got the impression you guys were talking about cars from the real brands, my bad. What percentage of cars being bought in China are replicas? The topic is about China being the biggest market, so the majority of cars are the real thing, lets not put China down. Their government actually has the will to improve their infrastructure and improve policies and are now emerging as the biggest market. Good for them. It's not only China making replicas right? How about all the super car replicas people around the world are making
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18th April 2009, 16:08	#22
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,518 Thanked: 300,706 Times View My Garage	Bottomline : China has always had the demand & the customers. Now, more & more Chinese are getting purchasing power too! @ Vasudeva : Awesome reads on those links.
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18th April 2009, 16:52	#23
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Can someone post the on-road prices of cars that are sold in both China and India? Eg.: BMW 320i; 320d,325i , Merc C200K, C220 CDI, VW Jetta, Suzuki Swift 1.3, Toyota Corolla Altis 1.8, Honda ANHC 1.5 VTEC, Honda Civic 1.8 Please consider and include models (lxi/vxi/zxi/s/v...) while posting the prices.
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18th April 2009, 23:34	#25
vinaydas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,399 Thanked: 148 Times	Chinese brands will make it into India someday. know who knows some one might be driving a Replica "Farrari"
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19th April 2009, 00:37	#26
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	i read some where.. Life is bliss if you drive a german car, eat chinese food, have an indian wife on an american salary. Its hell when you drive a chinese car, eat german food, have an american wife on an indian salary.
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20th April 2009, 06:25	#29
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,113 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	Just came across this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/bu...orsche.html?hp Some interesting bits: SHANGHAI — Porsche unveiled its entry into the luxury sedan market here on Sunday night, the eve of the Shanghai auto show. It was the latest confirmationof the importance of the Chi nese auto market and the first time that Porsche has entered a new market segment at an auto show outside Europe or North America. Auto sales rose 10 percent last month in China to a new record, and exceeded sales in the United States for the third month in a row as the world’s largest single-country market. That has prompted automakers from around the world to pay particular attention to the Chinese market, with a range of new models to be introduced here.
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22nd April 2009, 10:03	#30
sujaylahiri BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North America Posts: 960 Thanked: 6 Times View My Garage	Car sales have been pretty strong in Brazil as well, which is also one of the largest emerging markets for the auto industry. The way things are right now, only these developing countries will be able to "bail out" the troubled automakers out of their miseries.
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