New M5. Just watch the specs guys!!! too hot!!!

Revvmaster · 17th September 2004, 03:21

Well here's even more... the result of the E55 vs E60 M5 from Autocar

Autocar: here is the result from the comparison:

E55
0-100 km/h in 4.92
1/4 mile in 12.89 @ 173 km/h
1km in 23.8 @ 233 km/h

M5
0-100 in 4.58
1/4 mile in 12.61 @ 185 km/h
1km in 22.7 @ 246 km/h

80-120 km/h
3rd gear M5 2.77 E55 3.83
4th gear M5 4.17 E55 5.78
5th gear M5 4.82 E55 7.35

120-160 km/h
3rd gear M5 3.05 E55 4.40
4th gear M5 4.24 E55 6.21
5th gear M5 4.91 E55 7.50

Source: M5Board

Revv

P.S. If you do go thru the link, just click on the mbworld link provided in one of the posts. The way they keep lamblasting about the M5 is pretty funny. I think we T-Bhpians show more maturity than them.

_Crazi4Speed_ · 17th September 2004, 05:01

wow the M5 kills the E55..thats insane..it is truely a beast..i knew it would beat the E55, but this was a pretty nasty punch i must say..but I dont think the 4.92 is right..I have seen some car magazine run 4.4-4.5 on the E55..i guess it depends on the driver..but still a half second is too much to loose just cuz of a driver..

Rehaan · 17th September 2004, 06:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Revvmaster @ Sep. 17 2004,01:51)]80-120 km/h
3rd gear M5 2.77 E55 3.83
4th gear M5 4.17 E55 5.78
5th gear M5 4.82 E55 7.35

120-160 km/h
3rd gear M5 3.05 E55 4.40
4th gear M5 4.24 E55 6.21
5th gear M5 4.91 E55 7.50

Well these arent really true comparisons since the M5 has a 7speed tranny and the E55 a 6speed.

However...all is fair in love and cars.

This car is ridiculous.

R

_Crazi4Speed_ · 17th September 2004, 12:46

ok, i dont understand why cant you compare these 2, just cuz of trany? they happen to be meant for the same exact segment, so what if bmw came up with better and more advanced tech? i am just curious..similarly they dont have the same hp, so would you say you cant compare? why would trany make a diff..i just want to gain some knowledge on this..thanx

///AMG · 17th September 2004, 16:00

Hey Crazy4Speed I think you're forgetting that MB came up first with the 7G tronic Gearbox and then BMW. The only difference is that the E55 is yet left to be updated. The E55 is nearly 3 years old now and you will see a change in abt 2 years to come.

GTO · 17th September 2004, 19:19

Man, 7 gears or no gears....the sheer speed of the new M5 has most people shocked!! Its a helluva rocket, and from what I have heard...the performance makes most people overlook the quirky looks. I especially like that launch control thingie

GTO

_Crazi4Speed_ · 17th September 2004, 22:13

aahhh...e55 is not 3 years old..the E is 3 years old..didnt they take a whole year after that..so technically 2 years old..

anyhow it may be that merc did come out with it first..but they didnt implement it, reason being, it might not have been viable or production worthy..so what i meant was that...

anyhow I dont think the E is die for a redesign for another 3-4 years or so...the S will be an 06 and then the E will come out 2-3 years down the road..so you are looking at this E55 for a long time to come..i think..i could be wrong..but i havent heard anybody go into the next gen E yet..

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]
Man, 7 gears or no gears....the sheer speed of the new M5 has most people shocked!! Its a helluva rocket, and from what I have heard...the performance makes most people overlook the quirky looks. I especially like that launch control thingie

GTO

WERD!!!

Rehaan · 17th September 2004, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (_Crazi4Speed_ @ Sep. 17 2004,11:16)]ok, i dont understand why cant you compare these 2, just cuz of trany?

Hey N_C,

I didnt say u cant compare these two because of the tranny... i just said it wouldn't be a "true" apples to apples comparison, especially for the in gear acceleration tests.

X-Machine · 17th September 2004, 22:47

This car can actually crush its competitors by a great margin.
Awesome machine!
Cya.

Revvmaster · 18th September 2004, 04:26

Ok, lets put things this way.

First up, the E55 was out in 02. It took Merc, exactly 4 years to respond to the E39 M5!, with the E39 being launched in Nov 98. For all that the Merc is, and it is a good car, it has a fundamental problem. Its not the six gears vs seven that really matters, what does is the gearing.

AMGs generally have taller gearing to offset all that torque. But what that means is you are shifting more on the basis of torque rather than bhp. So while the BMW screams each gear upto 8200 rpm, the AMG is struggling at its redline, some 2k rpm lower. Also, for all that fab V8 is, it is essentially a very inefficient structure. It need superchargers to get all that power. BMW, on the other hand uses NA technology. But this is not ordinary. The best of materials and best of tuning spec is taken to get those cylinders churning at 8k rpm. The only reason why the BM doesn't have manual is simple, fitting seven manual gears in a car is technically very challenging and not very easy to place the slots. It therefore meant electronic intervention.

I have heard people talk about 700+Nm of torque, but remember the problem is the car doesn't have rear locking diffs. So there is a lot of torque and power wasted while going to the rear wheels. Cost cutting or engineering hindsight, its making the E55 lose time, big time. I have read of people shifting to slicks and the car shows a near 0.3-0.5 sec improvement in performance. But slicks aren't everyday tyres, nor are they standard fitment. So if you compare a slick tyred E55 with the standard M5, they'd be neck and neck. But put the M5 on slicks as well, the story changes.

IMO, both cars are built for two diff purposes though they are in the same category. You want to have a powerful cruiser with the knowledge that you have all the power u need and more if things get outta control (street racing), its the E55 for you. If you want a car that everyday asks you "now will you change your line by 1 mm on the SS3 please!", its the M5 for you. Both are great cars, no doubt. But in the overall contest, as of now, the M5 beats it! 7 Speed will be replaced by an 8G very soon, but that really won't change the ranking. If Merc really want to make their car very fast, rear locking diffs and slicks with 8G, and that car can beat the M5 by a margin...

... but then again, M5 has the 550bhp option lined up for use anytime as well!!

Revv

P.S. Frankly the nos. don't make a difference to me. I don't care whether the M5 is 0.5 secs faster than an E55 or vice-versa. Its just the execution that matters to me. Its like choosing a watch. You can buy one that's subtle and make a statement or you can buy a loud one and make a statement as well. To each his own!

drpullockaran · 18th August 2005, 02:03

Check out this address for the ultimate in torque this side of a locomotive train engine.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bugatti2.htm

http://www.thephaeton.co.uk/model_spec/

Mind you this engine is available in other cars from the VW stable albeit at a lesser state of tune but with near stupendous torque.

Anyway wear your seatbelts because our cars are less crashworthy compared to these projectiles.

17th September 2004, 03:21	#31
Revvmaster Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,190 Thanked: 95 Times	Well here's even more... the result of the E55 vs E60 M5 from Autocar Autocar: here is the result from the comparison: E55 0-100 km/h in 4.92 1/4 mile in 12.89 @ 173 km/h 1km in 23.8 @ 233 km/h M5 0-100 in 4.58 1/4 mile in 12.61 @ 185 km/h 1km in 22.7 @ 246 km/h 80-120 km/h 3rd gear M5 2.77 E55 3.83 4th gear M5 4.17 E55 5.78 5th gear M5 4.82 E55 7.35 120-160 km/h 3rd gear M5 3.05 E55 4.40 4th gear M5 4.24 E55 6.21 5th gear M5 4.91 E55 7.50 Source: M5Board Revv P.S. If you do go thru the link, just click on the mbworld link provided in one of the posts. The way they keep lamblasting about the M5 is pretty funny. I think we T-Bhpians show more maturity than them.
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17th September 2004, 05:01	#32
_Crazi4Speed_ BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shuffling between chicago and delhi Posts: 764 Thanked: 4 Times	wow the M5 kills the E55..thats insane..it is truely a beast..i knew it would beat the E55, but this was a pretty nasty punch i must say..but I dont think the 4.92 is right..I have seen some car magazine run 4.4-4.5 on the E55..i guess it depends on the driver..but still a half second is too much to loose just cuz of a driver..
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17th September 2004, 12:46	#34
_Crazi4Speed_ BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shuffling between chicago and delhi Posts: 764 Thanked: 4 Times	ok, i dont understand why cant you compare these 2, just cuz of trany? they happen to be meant for the same exact segment, so what if bmw came up with better and more advanced tech? i am just curious..similarly they dont have the same hp, so would you say you cant compare? why would trany make a diff..i just want to gain some knowledge on this..thanx
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17th September 2004, 16:00	#35
///AMG BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 39 Thanked: 0 Times	Hey Crazy4Speed I think you're forgetting that MB came up first with the 7G tronic Gearbox and then BMW. The only difference is that the E55 is yet left to be updated. The E55 is nearly 3 years old now and you will see a change in abt 2 years to come.
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17th September 2004, 19:19	#36
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,512 Thanked: 300,697 Times View My Garage	Man, 7 gears or no gears....the sheer speed of the new M5 has most people shocked!! Its a helluva rocket, and from what I have heard...the performance makes most people overlook the quirky looks. I especially like that launch control thingie GTO
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17th September 2004, 22:47	#39
X-Machine Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mumbai/Tokyo Posts: 1,475 Thanked: 29 Times	This car can actually crush its competitors by a great margin. Awesome machine! Cya.
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18th September 2004, 04:26	#40
Revvmaster Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,190 Thanked: 95 Times	Ok, lets put things this way. First up, the E55 was out in 02. It took Merc, exactly 4 years to respond to the E39 M5!, with the E39 being launched in Nov 98. For all that the Merc is, and it is a good car, it has a fundamental problem. Its not the six gears vs seven that really matters, what does is the gearing. AMGs generally have taller gearing to offset all that torque. But what that means is you are shifting more on the basis of torque rather than bhp. So while the BMW screams each gear upto 8200 rpm, the AMG is struggling at its redline, some 2k rpm lower. Also, for all that fab V8 is, it is essentially a very inefficient structure. It need superchargers to get all that power. BMW, on the other hand uses NA technology. But this is not ordinary. The best of materials and best of tuning spec is taken to get those cylinders churning at 8k rpm. The only reason why the BM doesn't have manual is simple, fitting seven manual gears in a car is technically very challenging and not very easy to place the slots. It therefore meant electronic intervention. I have heard people talk about 700+Nm of torque, but remember the problem is the car doesn't have rear locking diffs. So there is a lot of torque and power wasted while going to the rear wheels. Cost cutting or engineering hindsight, its making the E55 lose time, big time. I have read of people shifting to slicks and the car shows a near 0.3-0.5 sec improvement in performance. But slicks aren't everyday tyres, nor are they standard fitment. So if you compare a slick tyred E55 with the standard M5, they'd be neck and neck. But put the M5 on slicks as well, the story changes. IMO, both cars are built for two diff purposes though they are in the same category. You want to have a powerful cruiser with the knowledge that you have all the power u need and more if things get outta control (street racing), its the E55 for you. If you want a car that everyday asks you "now will you change your line by 1 mm on the SS3 please!", its the M5 for you. Both are great cars, no doubt. But in the overall contest, as of now, the M5 beats it! 7 Speed will be replaced by an 8G very soon, but that really won't change the ranking. If Merc really want to make their car very fast, rear locking diffs and slicks with 8G, and that car can beat the M5 by a margin... ... but then again, M5 has the 550bhp option lined up for use anytime as well!! Revv P.S. Frankly the nos. don't make a difference to me. I don't care whether the M5 is 0.5 secs faster than an E55 or vice-versa. Its just the execution that matters to me. Its like choosing a watch. You can buy one that's subtle and make a statement or you can buy a loud one and make a statement as well. To each his own!
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18th August 2005, 02:03	#41
drpullockaran BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ERNAKULAM Posts: 962 Thanked: 385 Times	For all those drooling over torque! Check out this address for the ultimate in torque this side of a locomotive train engine. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/bugatti2.htm http://www.thephaeton.co.uk/model_spec/ Mind you this engine is available in other cars from the VW stable albeit at a lesser state of tune but with near stupendous torque. Anyway wear your seatbelts because our cars are less crashworthy compared to these projectiles. Last edited by drpullockaran : 18th August 2005 at 02:16.
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