murcielago and enzo. the war continues

devarshi84 · 20th October 2005, 00:45

wow. U just posted some information I have done 5 posts above. ANyways It is a tough fight on the polls. what say guys.

ac 427 · 24th October 2005, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Azzkikr

hey !
I always wanted to say this "Nice Horsy"...well the Ferrari's may be powerful and all that but the massive commercialisation of the company has lead to a let down in exclusivity. The Raging BULL still remains an exclusive race that only a few still dare to tame. The Lambhorgini Any day for me...It definitely is the ultimate adrenaline Rush...just to see that bull pass by me or to watch it on TV gives me a high...I dream of driving one some day...
"ALL FINGERS CROSSED"....
Regards to all who LOST...

absolutely . . .the ferrari is commercialised. . . its sold in NUMBERSSSSS. . .i remember the 355 was supposed to be only 300 odd but it was sold like in thousands. . . .but bud. . . .the Ferrari kicks Lambos ass. . . .nywhere. . . nyfield. .. other than exclusivity.
lambos the wild one for me. . .but Ferrari is still the better one.

FastnFurious · 24th October 2005, 21:13

huh? ENZO vs murcielago...uh uh. I'd get up from sleep n scream ENZOOO!! 660bhp ahem...cant argue with that power...now can u?
Ferrari is the queen of all race cars....true dat man...anytime.
goes 0-100kph in 3.6secs better than the lambo.

devarshi84 · 25th October 2005, 01:14

I wonder what maserati and ferrari will do if Fiat closes down.

Fiat has its biggest losses from these two companies.

2fast4u · 25th October 2005, 02:03

well Ferrari as a STATION WAGON does have exclusivity.

More than the Lambo.

Just 7 Prancing Horse Wagons CUSTOM BUILT for who else???????????

devarshi84 · 26th October 2005, 01:32

ok if the station wagon is so exclusive then how about the suv LM series lambo made HUH!!!

GTI WR6 · 26th October 2005, 03:38

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Originally Posted by FastnFurious

huh? ENZO vs murcielago...uh uh. I'd get up from sleep n scream ENZOOO!! 660bhp ahem...cant argue with that power...now can u?
Ferrari is the queen of all race cars....true dat man...anytime.
goes 0-100kph in 3.6secs better than the lambo.

patience my friend patience. enzo, was ferrari's answer to the murci. lambo's answer will be coming next year. that 650 hp of the enzo won't matter then.

devarshi84 · 26th October 2005, 23:19

ferrari is too commercial in its approach and is the biggest financial drain on Fiat group followed by maserati.

Audi-wolkswagon group I think atleast makes some profit from lamborghini.

1Day · 27th October 2005, 20:14

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Originally Posted by 99octaneblaster

dunno about you guys but i feel the enzos just downright ugly....theres just something creepy about it...whereas the murcie is an automotive renaissance sculptre....sure the enzo packs a punch but giv lambo a year...itll spit on ferraris face..... for me the enzo doesnt even compare to the murci....the mc12 is much more worthy of comprison.....another work of sheer brilliance

I agree, I think the all new Lamborghini Miura is going to be one heck of a car and compete directly with enzo and beat the crap out of it..I dont know if they will keep the production numbers limited to the tune of what ferrari did, but this 700bhp monster along with an SUV and 2+2 Espada is going to be rocking..I cant wait for th next couple of years, they are going to be fiery..

devarshi84 · 28th October 2005, 02:26

NEw miura???/ Where did u get the news from??????

new Enzo beater?????? where

links please???? confirmation pleasse?????

ambylimo · 28th October 2005, 05:39

WELl got admitt flat footed ...enzo is a sure shoot drooler ....bt hey think of it as if ferrari is treated as DEMI-GOD by most car lovers...i beg to differ n i strongly believe lamborghini has n edge over ferrari...well that goes for one more discussion bt nt nw..some other day...i m attracted to murci as world was once to Baywatch...

ambylimo · 28th October 2005, 05:42

lets leave it to the bulls ....shall we?

ac 427 · 28th October 2005, 18:48

let the figures speak for themselves. . . .n for all you 'exclusive' freaks d enzo production is goin to be only 399.
Enzo :
price $670 000 USD
engine 65 Degree, Type F140 Aluminum V12
position Mid Longitudinal
aspiration Natural
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/Continuously Variable Timing
fuel feed Bosch Motronic ME7 Sequential Electronic Injection
displacement 5988 cc / 365.4 cu in
bore 92 mm / 3.62 in
stroke 75.2 mm / 2.96 in
compression 11.2:1
power 492.2 kw / 660.0 bhp @ 7800 rpm
hp per litre 110.22 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 481.75 bhp per weight
torque 657.57 nm / 485 ft lbs @ 5500 rpm
redline 8200
drive wheels RWD w/TCS
body / frame Carbon Fibre Body over Carbon Fibre Tub w/Rear Alloy Sub Frame
front brakes Brembro CCM (Carbon-Ceramic) Discs w/6-Pot Calipers, Power Assist ABS
f brake size 380 mm / 15.0 in
rear brakes Brembro CCM (Carbon-Cer?amic) Discs w/4-Pot Calipers, Power Assist, ABS
r brake size 340 mm / 13.4 in
front wheels F 48.3 x 22.9 cm / 19.0 x 9.0 in
rear wheels R 48.3 x 33.0 cm / 19.0 x 13.0 in
front tire size Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia 245/35ZR19
rear tire size Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia345/35ZR19
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
f suspension Double Wishbones w/Push-Rod Actuated Coil-Shock Units, Adaptive Dampers, Electronic Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll bar
r suspension Double Wishbones w/Push-Rod Actuated Coil-Shock Units, Adaptive Dampers, Electronic Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll bar
weight 1370 kg / 3020 lbs
wheelbase 2650 mm / 104.3 in
front track 1660 mm / 65.4 in
rear track 1650 mm / 65.0 in
length 4702 mm / 185.1 in
width 2035 mm / 80.1 in
height 1147 mm / 45.2 in
transmission 6-Speed Semi-Automatic w/Electrohydraulic Acuation, 215mm Twin-P
gear ratios 3.15:1, 2.18:1, 1.57:1, 1.19:1, 0.94:1, 0.76:1
top speed 350 kph / 217.5 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.4 seconds
0 - 100 mph 6.5 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 11.3 seconds
epa city/hwy 10 mpg
production 399

Murcielago:

price $245 000 USD
engine 60 Degree, Aluminum Alloy, V12
position Mid Longitudinal
aspiration Natural
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT & VIS
displacement 6192 cc / 377.9 cu in
bore 87 mm / 3.43 in
stroke 86.8 mm / 3.42 in
compression 10.7:1
power 432.5 kw / 580.0 bhp @ 7500 rpm
hp per litre 93.67 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 351.52 bhp per tonne
torque 650 nm / 479.4 ft lbs @ 4000-5400 rpm
redline 8000 rpm
drive wheels Permanent 4WD w/Viscous Traction
body / frame Carbon Fibre Body over Tubular Steel Frame w/Steel Roof & Steel
front brakes Vented Discs w/Power Assist, 4-Pot Calipers, ABS, DRP
f brake size 355 mm / 14.0 in
rear brakes Vented Discs w/Power Assist, 4-Pot Calipers, ABS, DRP
r brake size 335 mm / 13.2 in
front wheels F 45.7 x 21.6 cm / 18.0 x 8.5 in
rear wheels R 45.7 x 33.0 cm / 18.0 x 13.0 in
front tire size Pirelli P Zero ROSSO 245/35ZR18
rear tire size Pirelli P Zero ROSSO 335/30ZR18
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
f suspension Double Wishbones w/Coil Springs, Gas Dampers, Anti-Roll Bar
r suspension Double Wishbones w/Coil Springs, Gas Dampers, Anti-Roll Bar
weight 1650 kg / 3638 lbs
wheelbase 2665 mm / 104.9 in
front track 1635 mm / 64.4 in
rear track 1695 mm / 66.7 in
length 4580 mm / 180.3 in
width 2045 mm / 80.5 in
height 1135 mm / 44.7 in
transmission 6-Speed Manual
gear ratios 2.941:1, 2.056:1, 1.520:1, 1.179:1, 1.030:1, 0.914:1
final drive 2.53:1
top speed 330 kph / 205.1 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.8 seconds
0 - 100 mph 8.6 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 11.7 seconds
epa city/hwy 10 / 14 mpg

1Day · 29th October 2005, 00:17

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

NEw miura???/ Where did u get the news from??????

new Enzo beater?????? where

links please???? confirmation pleasse?????

well you wouldnt get confirmation for some time, but here is a link i can show you, there are tons of links floating around for sometime now, but no pictures..it would be breath taking to see some of these things come to life..in the near future and you should see concepts rolling in the next year or 2...

Miura and more

and if you click on teh beautiful picture there, you will goto edmunds.com

Edmunds inside line on Miura

devarshi84 · 2nd November 2005, 00:44

hmmm the match will be interesting in 2006.

View Poll Results: which car is better
lamborghini murcielago	40	50.63%
Ferrari enzo	39	49.37%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

20th October 2005, 00:45	#46
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	wow. U just posted some information I have done 5 posts above. ANyways It is a tough fight on the polls. what say guys.
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24th October 2005, 21:13	#48
FastnFurious Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyd Posts: 7 Thanked: 0 Times	huh? ENZO vs murcielago...uh uh. I'd get up from sleep n scream ENZOOO!! 660bhp ahem...cant argue with that power...now can u? Ferrari is the queen of all race cars....true dat man...anytime. goes 0-100kph in 3.6secs better than the lambo.
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25th October 2005, 01:14	#49
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	I wonder what maserati and ferrari will do if Fiat closes down. Fiat has its biggest losses from these two companies.
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25th October 2005, 02:03	#50
2fast4u BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pune / Bahrain Posts: 488 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	well Ferrari as a STATION WAGON does have exclusivity. More than the Lambo. Just 7 Prancing Horse Wagons CUSTOM BUILT for who else???????????
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26th October 2005, 01:32	#51
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	ok if the station wagon is so exclusive then how about the suv LM series lambo made HUH!!!
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26th October 2005, 23:19	#53
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	ferrari is too commercial in its approach and is the biggest financial drain on Fiat group followed by maserati. Audi-wolkswagon group I think atleast makes some profit from lamborghini.
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28th October 2005, 02:26	#55
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	NEw miura???/ Where did u get the news from?????? new Enzo beater?????? where links please???? confirmation pleasse?????
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28th October 2005, 05:39	#56
ambylimo BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: (Toronto) Ahmedabad Posts: 149 Thanked: 0 Times	WELl got admitt flat footed ...enzo is a sure shoot drooler ....bt hey think of it as if ferrari is treated as DEMI-GOD by most car lovers...i beg to differ n i strongly believe lamborghini has n edge over ferrari...well that goes for one more discussion bt nt nw..some other day...i m attracted to murci as world was once to Baywatch...
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28th October 2005, 05:42	#57
ambylimo BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: (Toronto) Ahmedabad Posts: 149 Thanked: 0 Times	lets leave it to the bulls ....shall we?
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28th October 2005, 18:48	#58
ac 427 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,393 Thanked: 244 Times View My Garage	let the figures speak for themselves. . . .n for all you 'exclusive' freaks d enzo production is goin to be only 399. Enzo : price $670 000 USD engine 65 Degree, Type F140 Aluminum V12 position Mid Longitudinal aspiration Natural valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/Continuously Variable Timing fuel feed Bosch Motronic ME7 Sequential Electronic Injection displacement 5988 cc / 365.4 cu in bore 92 mm / 3.62 in stroke 75.2 mm / 2.96 in compression 11.2:1 power 492.2 kw / 660.0 bhp @ 7800 rpm hp per litre 110.22 bhp per litre bhp/weight 481.75 bhp per weight torque 657.57 nm / 485 ft lbs @ 5500 rpm redline 8200 drive wheels RWD w/TCS body / frame Carbon Fibre Body over Carbon Fibre Tub w/Rear Alloy Sub Frame front brakes Brembro CCM (Carbon-Ceramic) Discs w/6-Pot Calipers, Power Assist ABS f brake size 380 mm / 15.0 in rear brakes Brembro CCM (Carbon-Cer?amic) Discs w/4-Pot Calipers, Power Assist, ABS r brake size 340 mm / 13.4 in front wheels F 48.3 x 22.9 cm / 19.0 x 9.0 in rear wheels R 48.3 x 33.0 cm / 19.0 x 13.0 in front tire size Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia 245/35ZR19 rear tire size Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia345/35ZR19 steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist f suspension Double Wishbones w/Push-Rod Actuated Coil-Shock Units, Adaptive Dampers, Electronic Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll bar r suspension Double Wishbones w/Push-Rod Actuated Coil-Shock Units, Adaptive Dampers, Electronic Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll bar weight 1370 kg / 3020 lbs wheelbase 2650 mm / 104.3 in front track 1660 mm / 65.4 in rear track 1650 mm / 65.0 in length 4702 mm / 185.1 in width 2035 mm / 80.1 in height 1147 mm / 45.2 in transmission 6-Speed Semi-Automatic w/Electrohydraulic Acuation, 215mm Twin-P gear ratios 3.15:1, 2.18:1, 1.57:1, 1.19:1, 0.94:1, 0.76:1 top speed 350 kph / 217.5 mph 0 - 60 mph 3.4 seconds 0 - 100 mph 6.5 seconds 0 - 1/4 mile 11.3 seconds epa city/hwy 10 mpg production 399 Murcielago: price $245 000 USD engine 60 Degree, Aluminum Alloy, V12 position Mid Longitudinal aspiration Natural valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT & VIS displacement 6192 cc / 377.9 cu in bore 87 mm / 3.43 in stroke 86.8 mm / 3.42 in compression 10.7:1 power 432.5 kw / 580.0 bhp @ 7500 rpm hp per litre 93.67 bhp per litre bhp/weight 351.52 bhp per tonne torque 650 nm / 479.4 ft lbs @ 4000-5400 rpm redline 8000 rpm drive wheels Permanent 4WD w/Viscous Traction body / frame Carbon Fibre Body over Tubular Steel Frame w/Steel Roof & Steel front brakes Vented Discs w/Power Assist, 4-Pot Calipers, ABS, DRP f brake size 355 mm / 14.0 in rear brakes Vented Discs w/Power Assist, 4-Pot Calipers, ABS, DRP r brake size 335 mm / 13.2 in front wheels F 45.7 x 21.6 cm / 18.0 x 8.5 in rear wheels R 45.7 x 33.0 cm / 18.0 x 13.0 in front tire size Pirelli P Zero ROSSO 245/35ZR18 rear tire size Pirelli P Zero ROSSO 335/30ZR18 steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist f suspension Double Wishbones w/Coil Springs, Gas Dampers, Anti-Roll Bar r suspension Double Wishbones w/Coil Springs, Gas Dampers, Anti-Roll Bar weight 1650 kg / 3638 lbs wheelbase 2665 mm / 104.9 in front track 1635 mm / 64.4 in rear track 1695 mm / 66.7 in length 4580 mm / 180.3 in width 2045 mm / 80.5 in height 1135 mm / 44.7 in transmission 6-Speed Manual gear ratios 2.941:1, 2.056:1, 1.520:1, 1.179:1, 1.030:1, 0.914:1 final drive 2.53:1 top speed 330 kph / 205.1 mph 0 - 60 mph 3.8 seconds 0 - 100 mph 8.6 seconds 0 - 1/4 mile 11.7 seconds epa city/hwy 10 / 14 mpg Last edited by ac 427 : 28th October 2005 at 18:50.
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2nd November 2005, 00:44	#60
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	hmmm the match will be interesting in 2006.
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