[tilt]

So, to make a long story short, it was just the car.

Cheers

[F150]

Ha ha finally after the recent performance from Daniel Riccardio with pretty much the same car, it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that it was indeed the car and nothing else.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by F150

Ha ha finally after the recent performance from Daniel Riccardio with pretty much the same car, it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that it was indeed the car and nothing else.

That says a lot about Webber's skill if we go by that logic. He is as much below Vettel as Vettel is behind Riccardo. I feel it has a lot to do with the driving style suited to the regulations. New regulations and tyres are not suited to his driving style, same seems to be the case with Raikkonen. Both of them were much better in the last few seasons than in this season, especially in terms of tyre management.

Also, don't forget that Vettel's first win was in a Toro Rosso, certainly not a superlative car.

[Blue_V]

Shouldn't adaptability be a big factor in deciding the capabilities of a F1 driver. Lets forget the 4 championships, lets forget Jensen matching Lewis, or Massa beating Alonso on occassions. Why haven't Vettel or Kimi not been able to adapt? Very few drivers have that rare talent to get around short comings in their cars and conditions. Michael, Senna, Alonso, Lewis are/were such drivers. Unfortunately Vettel, Kimi, Button, Massa fall into categories where if the car suits them, they can be super fast.

[Maky]

Posting this just to keep count.
We are on Chassis No. 4 now for the 4-Time World Champion.

[Fullrevs]

I agree with Blue_V to a large extent. It cannot all be attributed to the car when his much lesser experienced team mate is extracting so much from the car. This all looks like a sign that Vettel will want to leave and move to a different team and beat Ricciardo from there.

Ive heard it atleast twice where Horner is asking Vettel to move over for Ricciardo. Apparently team orders were used in Monza as well. Nothing was aired over the television and Horner seems to reject such claims. I wouldnt be surprised though. Ricciardo is a supreme talent and its quite visible that he is quicker than Vettel and can adapt much quicker to any kind of vehicle on any track.

[myavu]

From the horse's mouth

“you don’t need a four-time world champion who at best can be ‘best of the rest’.”

Mateschitz says Red Bull ‘doesn’t need’ Vettel

Source: http://thisisf1.com/2014/10/11/mates...t-need-vettel/

Cheers!

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[zenren]

Originally Posted by myavu

From the horse's mouth
Mateschitz says Red Bull ‘doesn’t need’ Vettel

Source: http://thisisf1.com/2014/10/11/mates...t-need-vettel/

Cheers!

I beg to differ the interpretation of Mateschitz's statement.

The way I see it, what he said was the reason Red Bull didn't try to retain Vettel till the end of the contract.

He said that the Red Bull was not good enough to win the Championship from Mercedes and a 4-time World Champion like Vettel would be satisfied with nothing short of the Championship which the car is clearly not able to provide.

However, for rising stars like Ricciardo or Kvyat, even the P3 or P4 in championship is satisfactory and they would be happy about it, which is true. Since Ricciardo is P3 this season and won 3 races, we are showering our praises on him. If Vettel had won those 3 races and was sitting in P3 in standings, no one would have went overboard about the outstanding job he had done. It would have been still below the minimum expectation from a 4-time champion.

Here are a few more lines around that quote from the article:

“Given Red Bull’s handicap with the current (Renault) power unit and Mercedes’ dominance,” he said, “you don’t need a four-time world champion who at best can be ‘best of the rest’.”

And according to Mateschitz, the promise shown by Vettel’s successor, 20-year-old Daniil Kvyat, is another reason Red Bull is happily letting its champion go.

“We considered it neither just nor necessary to intervene,” he said, “particularly since this switch brings huge financial savings.

[mayankk]

That sounds more like a "it's not you, it's me " placating gesture.
And he gets out qualified again today.

[myavu]

Originally Posted by zenren

I beg to differ the interpretation of Mateschitz's statement.

But what-if Vettel was ahead of Daniel Ricciardo in this season? Once he decided to quit, Mateschitz and Horner looking that by a financial saving way.