2015 Formula 1 Mexican GP - Mexico City

Hatari · 3rd November 2015, 15:05

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Originally Posted by SilentEngine

Did Kimi push Bottas out of track? No. Lot of drivers do much worse and that's apparently allowed.

Since you bring crowding rule here, look at this incident from Valencia 2012 where Maldonado was penalized for colliding with Hamilton. It's pretty clear that Hamilton pushed Maldonado off track which actually triggered the contact when Maldonado reentered the track. Hamilton wasn't penalized but Maldonado was.

Anyway, my post was to highlight inconsistent application of rules.

Kimi didnt push him off track, but did drive into him for sure!

On Maldonado, I dont think there is ever a case to defend him! attempting a move after going off track!
Going wide is not punished, the Nico vs Lewis first corner incident is proof enough.

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Originally Posted by anachronix

A picture you may not want to see... There is no space for another car there! Kimi messup in Russia, its now Bottas!

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Welcome back to the F1 forum after your sabbatical!
Dont know what the screen shot signifies, it is a few frames before the contact.

anachronix · 3rd November 2015, 15:25

That was very warm indeed, thanks

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Originally Posted by Hatari

Welcome back to the F1 forum after your sabbatical!

You could see Kimi well ahead and starting to turn in already, Bottas was hardly there but with half of his car outside the track determined to not give up

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Dont know what the screen shot signifies, it is a few frames before the contact.

Hatari · 4th November 2015, 11:14

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Originally Posted by anachronix

That was very warm indeed, thanks

You could see Kimi well ahead and starting to turn in already, Bottas was hardly there but with half of his car outside the track determined to not give up

Always am!

Being ahead is irrelevant, as Bottas is alongside.

I quote from the FIA's sporting regulations 2015 :

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20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

Bottas's front wing was well past Kimi's rear wheel.

I think he would have been happy with only half the space, but kimi thought even that was too much!

Just like the earlier left hander when Bottas didnt turn into him, kimi should have done the same.

anachronix · 6th November 2015, 11:28

Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!

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Originally Posted by Hatari

Always am!

Being ahead is irrelevant, as Bottas is alongside...

asr245 · 6th November 2015, 11:33

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!

According to the rules, 2 wheels inside the while line is in. Had he overtaken without the incident, it would have held good.

anachronix · 6th November 2015, 11:39

Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.

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Originally Posted by asr245

According to the rules, 2 wheels inside the while line is in. Had he overtaken without the incident, it would have held good.

asr245 · 6th November 2015, 15:04

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.

Are you trying to prove my point to me? I am already convinced about it. So were the commentators & the stewards.

The above is written in context of the driver doing the defending.

anachronix · 6th November 2015, 15:36

Well, I don't get you! What was your point?

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Originally Posted by asr245

Are you trying to prove my point to me? I am already convinced about it. So were the commentators & the stewards.

The above is written in context of the driver doing the defending.

asr245 · 6th November 2015, 15:43

I was writing in support of Bottas, and that he was well alongside Kimi and within track limits (2 wheels inside the white line).

Hatari · 6th November 2015, 17:10

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.

He wasnt off track, 2 wheels being on track is well within track limits.

6th November 2015, 15:43	#39
asr245 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 1,162 Thanked: 389 Times	Re: 2015 Formula 1 Mexican GP - Mexico City I was writing in support of Bottas, and that he was well alongside Kimi and within track limits (2 wheels inside the white line).
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