Ferrari start criminal proceedings against Nigel Stepney

Dippy · 4th July 2007, 14:29

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Originally Posted by scooby05

Forget the '80s and '90s. With Schumi playing an Important role in the team for the last 3 races, none of these things will hold good, wait and watch!!

Agreed. Schumi seems to be seen more often at the races now. Plus I read on the F1 site of him saying his role in the team will be more clearly defined by the end of the year. I'm sure Schumi had a big contribution in the tests between US and France. The results are showing.

MaserQ · 4th July 2007, 16:05

So Stephney is suing Ferrari and I take it that the authorities are suing Stephney, or is Ferrari doing so too..?! Now, I wonder if Mclaren are going to sue Coughlan and would he counter-sue? Or he is going to be sued by the investigating authorities?!?!

scarlet.fever · 4th July 2007, 17:39

The espionage scandal involving Ferrari's Nigel Stepney deepened late on Tuesday when McLaren admitted that one of its senior technical staff is also implicated.

Woking based McLaren did not name him, but it is widely reported to be 48-year-old chief designer Mike Coughlan, who has been suspended, 'regarding the receipt of technical information' from countryman Stepney.

McLaren, insisting that it will 'fully cooperate' with Ferrari's own investigation and that of Italian police, said: [COLOR=navy]"The team has learnt that this individual had personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April."[/COLOR]

For more updates read Source :- F1live.com

This seems to be a shocking news to me.So what do u think did McLaren gain an advantage using all this technical information in the initial period of the season by winning races.And if this proves to be vital at the end of season in winning the championship I think it would be a great tragedy for Ferrari.

MaserQ · 5th July 2007, 14:47

From bad to worse to an absolute muddle. Now FIA jumps in to launch its own investigation. Holy s***

Formula One news: FIA to investigate espionage affair - GPUpdate.net Formula One

RacingForIndia · 5th July 2007, 17:59

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Originally Posted by scarlet.fever

This seems to be a shocking news to me.So what do u think did McLaren gain an advantage using all this technical information in the initial period of the season by winning races.And if this proves to be vital at the end of season in winning the championship I think it would be a great tragedy for Ferrari.

They will have to prove that McLaren use the info which was found in their Chief Designers residence.
McLaren have opened themselves to investigation by the FIA and that should clear the air, though how long this will take is anybodies guess.
It could well be that the two designers (from Macaa and Ferrari) were cooking something up between themselves and wanted to sell this off to someone else (someother team on the grid).
Think about it.

merve_extreme · 7th July 2007, 00:32

Both Stepney and Cougan wanted to join Honda and even had approached Nick Fry.This is going to turn intresting.

itv.com/f1 - Honda was approached by spy suspects

ajmat · 11th July 2007, 10:42

Now looks like the wife was caught phtocopying the documents:

Wife of McLaren F1 designer 'caught copying Ferrari's secrets'

merve_extreme · 11th July 2007, 11:56

What a supreme fool.

normally_crazy · 26th July 2007, 19:35

Mclaren let off - Breaking news on TV

Sideways · 26th July 2007, 20:00

Read About it. Click link:

The Official Formula 1 Website

merve_extreme · 26th July 2007, 20:34

Found guilty of possing Ferrari technical info but no proof that they used it.What is the FIA upto???
If someone knows the fuel comsumption or tyre wear of their rival and base or strategy on that info.How can it ever be proved that the strategy was decied by seeing your rivals data?

Rtech · 27th July 2007, 10:36

Atleast this should put an end to all the people out there who claim that F1 & the FIA are wrapped around Ferrari's little finger.

The judgment is nuts to say the least. They prove that Mclaren did cheat. However, no sentence! Maybe we should owe this to the Lewis effect now eh!

Dippy · 27th July 2007, 12:05

Two contradictory statements

One, Yes Mclaran did cheat.

and two we cannot do anything since we have no proof.

What is the FIA smoking ?

Rocky_Balboa · 27th July 2007, 12:12

Sick people run FIA.
When Schumi blocks Alonso in qualifying in Monaco, he gets penalised by stewards but when McLaren has Ferrari fineprints in possession, let them go!

Ferrari should have appealed against FIA ruling! wondering why they didnt!

ajmat · 27th July 2007, 13:33

Hold on, lets not jump to conclusions

Steve Coughlan had the plans given to him by Nigel Stepney. The evidence is limited as:

1: No proof exists that Mclaren were ever in possession of these plans and put it to their use. Only an individual possessed them

2: The only proof will be whether there are specific design elements incorporated in to the MCL cars. Only an in-depth investigation can highlight this. This is called IP Contamination. i.e. if a bad apple sneezes out a rivals secrets into his company, the company will catch the flu.

3: If Ron Dennis wanted to copy the plans, he could afford to copy them in his home or office and not at a printshop by Coughlan's wife!

4: The main gap was the delay in sacking Steve

I know a case where a chip company recruited a person from a rival chip company, he walked in with all the design specs. The recruiting company promptly called both the rival company and the police and called for prosecution to cover themselves. That is what Mclaren did not do, may be they did not know until things blew up.

4th July 2007, 16:05	#17
MaserQ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,196 Thanked: 166 Times	So Stephney is suing Ferrari and I take it that the authorities are suing Stephney, or is Ferrari doing so too..?! Now, I wonder if Mclaren are going to sue Coughlan and would he counter-sue? Or he is going to be sued by the investigating authorities?!?!
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scarlet.fever BANNED Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Delhi/Gurgaon Posts: 235 Thanked: 30 Times	McLaren involved in Ferrari Spy scandal The espionage scandal involving Ferrari's Nigel Stepney deepened late on Tuesday when McLaren admitted that one of its senior technical staff is also implicated. Woking based McLaren did not name him, but it is widely reported to be 48-year-old chief designer Mike Coughlan, who has been suspended, 'regarding the receipt of technical information' from countryman Stepney. McLaren, insisting that it will 'fully cooperate' with Ferrari's own investigation and that of Italian police, said: [COLOR=navy]"The team has learnt that this individual had personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April."[/COLOR] For more updates read Source :- F1live.com This seems to be a shocking news to me.So what do u think did McLaren gain an advantage using all this technical information in the initial period of the season by winning races.And if this proves to be vital at the end of season in winning the championship I think it would be a great tragedy for Ferrari.
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MaserQ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,196 Thanked: 166 Times	From bad to worse to an absolute muddle. Now FIA jumps in to launch its own investigation. Holy s*** Formula One news: FIA to investigate espionage affair - GPUpdate.net Formula One
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7th July 2007, 00:32	#21
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Both Stepney and Cougan wanted to join Honda and even had approached Nick Fry.This is going to turn intresting. itv.com/f1 - Honda was approached by spy suspects
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ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,863 Thanked: 27,973 Times View My Garage	Now looks like the wife was caught phtocopying the documents: Wife of McLaren F1 designer 'caught copying Ferrari's secrets'
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merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	What a supreme fool.
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26th July 2007, 20:34	#26
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Found guilty of possing Ferrari technical info but no proof that they used it.What is the FIA upto??? If someone knows the fuel comsumption or tyre wear of their rival and base or strategy on that info.How can it ever be proved that the strategy was decied by seeing your rivals data?
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27th July 2007, 10:36	#27
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Atleast this should put an end to all the people out there who claim that F1 & the FIA are wrapped around Ferrari's little finger. The judgment is nuts to say the least. They prove that Mclaren did cheat. However, no sentence! Maybe we should owe this to the Lewis effect now eh!
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27th July 2007, 12:05	#28
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,561 Thanked: 2,465 Times	Two contradictory statements One, Yes Mclaran did cheat. and two we cannot do anything since we have no proof. What is the FIA smoking ?
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27th July 2007, 12:12	#29
Rocky_Balboa BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Namma Bengalooru Posts: 676 Thanked: 358 Times View My Garage	Sick people run FIA. When Schumi blocks Alonso in qualifying in Monaco, he gets penalised by stewards but when McLaren has Ferrari fineprints in possession, let them go! Ferrari should have appealed against FIA ruling! wondering why they didnt!
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27th July 2007, 13:33	#30
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,863 Thanked: 27,973 Times View My Garage	Hold on, lets not jump to conclusions Steve Coughlan had the plans given to him by Nigel Stepney. The evidence is limited as: 1: No proof exists that Mclaren were ever in possession of these plans and put it to their use. Only an individual possessed them 2: The only proof will be whether there are specific design elements incorporated in to the MCL cars. Only an in-depth investigation can highlight this. This is called IP Contamination. i.e. if a bad apple sneezes out a rivals secrets into his company, the company will catch the flu. 3: If Ron Dennis wanted to copy the plans, he could afford to copy them in his home or office and not at a printshop by Coughlan's wife! 4: The main gap was the delay in sacking Steve I know a case where a chip company recruited a person from a rival chip company, he walked in with all the design specs. The recruiting company promptly called both the rival company and the police and called for prosecution to cover themselves. That is what Mclaren did not do, may be they did not know until things blew up. Last edited by ajmat : 27th July 2007 at 13:36.
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