Hamilton could be stripped of the title

theMAG · 7th September 2007, 14:34

If the September 13 verdict goes against McLaren, Hamilton (Alonso) could be stripped of the championship title - assuming he/Alonso wins it.

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Personally I'll be sorry if that happens since the drivers wouldnt have been directly or otherwise involved in the "espionage" and its assimilation. The responsibility is apt to be borne by the company not its drivers for doing their job - driving.

Sideways · 7th September 2007, 14:44

Although, I am a hardcore Ferrari fan, I will have to agree with Mag. Why should the drivers be punished ? It's the team that needs to be taken to task. I hope the World motor sports council can work out a way in order to be fair to both parties.

speedmiester · 7th September 2007, 14:46

This would be a big blow for hamilton if it happens. Rather than this, Mclaren should be stripped of the championship and slap a huge penalty instead of its drivers.

finneyp · 7th September 2007, 14:56

But the data stolen out of 'espionage' would have boosted the performance of Mclaren Cars to some extent, giving unfair advantage to Hamilton / Alonso.

Dippy · 7th September 2007, 15:03

This is not right. If they have to punish someone it should be the team.Hamilton should be allowed to keep his title in case he wins it and Mclaren sshould be stripped of the Constructors title. Its the team who is at fault but then again the drivers are part of the team

Lets wait and watch.

BlackPearl · 7th September 2007, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Sideways

Although, I am a hardcore Ferrari fan, I will have to agree with Mag. Why should the drivers be punished ? It's the team that needs to be taken to task. I hope the World motor sports council can work out a way in order to be fair to both parties.

Even I am a Ferrari fan and would love to see them win the championship. But I cannot understand is that why is Ferrari not getting any punishment for this act? Stepney was a Ferrari employee when he committed a crime, so is not Ferrari responsible for behaviour of their employees. If I do something wrong, then is not my company also accountable for it?

shuvc · 7th September 2007, 15:08

Consider this .. Hamilton / Alonso end up 1-2 in the drivers championship. So both get disqualified. Kimi/Massa being 3rd would be crowned.

I wonder how they'll feel - getting a hand-me-down honour. Might feel horrible.

IronWolf · 7th September 2007, 15:10

The Constructors championship should be stripped NOT the drivers. FIA has been pro Ferrari - tifosi may disagree however IMPO - it makes me sick.

Hamilton Deserves to win the title hes played a fair game and been the most consistant rookie in the recent history of motorsports.

MotoGP that way has less controversy

IronWolf · 7th September 2007, 15:11

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Originally Posted by BlackPearl

Even I am a Ferrari fan and would love to see them win the championship. But I cannot understand is that why is Ferrari not getting any punishment for this act? Stepney was a Ferrari employee when he committed a crime, so is not Ferrari responsible for behaviour of their employees. If I do something wrong, then is not my company also accountable for it?

IMO - only reason is that a Certain Bernie is Pro Ferrari.

jraj · 7th September 2007, 15:12

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Originally Posted by BlackPearl

If I do something wrong, then is not my company also accountable for it?

Blackpearl Here the problem is that Nigel stepney had gone against his employer and had tried to spoil their chances in this year's championships.

Its already there in another thread here that FA and Pedra de la rossa had exchanged mail that contained set-up information on Ferrari's F2007.If this was true,then Mclaren will find it hard to proove that only Mike Coughlan was involved in this spy case and not Vodafone Mclaren as a team.
Things are getting murkier day by day.

GTO · 7th September 2007, 15:43

This will effectively give Ferrari the championship on a silver platter, and take away F1 viewership. This is potentially the first 4-way fight to the championship since 1999.

I dont think its going to happen

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speedzak · 7th September 2007, 16:00

This is unfair if this happens. The team can be punished by stripping off their title but drivers should be allowed to keep theirs'.

If this happens, I am going to watch F1 with less interest for sure.

hillram · 7th September 2007, 16:10

Guys,
Ron Dennis will pull it off as he has done numerous times in the past.This is not the first time that F1 has been dogged with espionage within teams.we saw Prost,Senna,Mansell who went thru this and Senna,Prost were Mclaren boys at one time.Anyways lets keep our fingers crossed..........

manson · 7th September 2007, 16:12

Drivers are an essential part of the team. When the team develops a great car, its the drivers shining on the podium, then wy is it so right for the drivers to be treated separately when the team is in trouble.

post # 51 on http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor-...stepney-4.html indicates that two drivers of the Mclaren camp had knowledge of "set-up information on Ferrari's F2007 that pre-dates the dossier incident that sparked the scandal".

manson.

srishiva · 7th September 2007, 16:34

They will also exclude McLaren from 2007 and 2008 championship. Now that would be really bad.

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theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	Hamilton could be stripped of the title If the September 13 verdict goes against McLaren, Hamilton (Alonso) could be stripped of the championship title - assuming he/Alonso wins it. More here Personally I'll be sorry if that happens since the drivers wouldnt have been directly or otherwise involved in the "espionage" and its assimilation. The responsibility is apt to be borne by the company not its drivers for doing their job - driving. Last edited by theMAG : 7th September 2007 at 14:36.
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Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 641 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	Although, I am a hardcore Ferrari fan, I will have to agree with Mag. Why should the drivers be punished ? It's the team that needs to be taken to task. I hope the World motor sports council can work out a way in order to be fair to both parties.
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speedmiester Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 2,387 Thanked: 6,631 Times	This would be a big blow for hamilton if it happens. Rather than this, Mclaren should be stripped of the championship and slap a huge penalty instead of its drivers.
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finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	But the data stolen out of 'espionage' would have boosted the performance of Mclaren Cars to some extent, giving unfair advantage to Hamilton / Alonso.
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Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,559 Thanked: 2,462 Times	This is not right. If they have to punish someone it should be the team.Hamilton should be allowed to keep his title in case he wins it and Mclaren sshould be stripped of the Constructors title. Its the team who is at fault but then again the drivers are part of the team Lets wait and watch.
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shuvc Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 2,913 Thanked: 352 Times View My Garage	Consider this .. Hamilton / Alonso end up 1-2 in the drivers championship. So both get disqualified. Kimi/Massa being 3rd would be crowned. I wonder how they'll feel - getting a hand-me-down honour. Might feel horrible.
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IronWolf Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Benga-loo-ru Posts: 1,569 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage	The Constructors championship should be stripped NOT the drivers. FIA has been pro Ferrari - tifosi may disagree however IMPO - it makes me sick. Hamilton Deserves to win the title hes played a fair game and been the most consistant rookie in the recent history of motorsports. MotoGP that way has less controversy
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GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,521 Thanked: 300,711 Times View My Garage	This will effectively give Ferrari the championship on a silver platter, and take away F1 viewership. This is potentially the first 4-way fight to the championship since 1999. I dont think its going to happen .
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speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	This is unfair if this happens. The team can be punished by stripping off their title but drivers should be allowed to keep theirs'. If this happens, I am going to watch F1 with less interest for sure.
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hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Guys, Ron Dennis will pull it off as he has done numerous times in the past.This is not the first time that F1 has been dogged with espionage within teams.we saw Prost,Senna,Mansell who went thru this and Senna,Prost were Mclaren boys at one time.Anyways lets keep our fingers crossed..........
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manson Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 4,169 Times View My Garage	Drivers are an essential part of the team. When the team develops a great car, its the drivers shining on the podium, then wy is it so right for the drivers to be treated separately when the team is in trouble. post # 51 on http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor-...stepney-4.html indicates that two drivers of the Mclaren camp had knowledge of "set-up information on Ferrari's F2007 that pre-dates the dossier incident that sparked the scandal". manson.
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srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	They will also exclude McLaren from 2007 and 2008 championship. Now that would be really bad.
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