Mclaren face possible ban for 2007 & 2008!! (Edit: Now confirmed)

Mpower · 13th September 2007, 22:01

This is like the Sanjay Dutt saga. Not gonna end anytime soon.

tifosikrishna · 13th September 2007, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Rtech

i can't believe that they can ban a team like mclaren for 2 years! Lets see what the real story is...

exactly robin. f1 circus master bernie cannot afford to lose mclaren and particularly the golden goose hamilton who solely helped to boost the sagging television ratings, it would be suicidal for the sport.

theMAG · 13th September 2007, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Mpower

This is like the Sanjay Dutt saga. Not gonna end anytime soon.

I'd like it to have the same ending as well. Atleast from a bird's eye view, F1's not going to be worth watching if this "verdict" is cast in stone.

madhav · 13th September 2007, 22:16

damn... i cannot imagine the sunday races with McLaren now. I guess I'll just find somethings more interesting to do than watch F1.

I guess Alonso was real smart in the way he has handled his role in McLaren team. Now he'll get himself out of the contract and move on with some other team. All that whining and complaining has only given him a good base to move on and not feel obligated to be with McLaren.

merve_extreme · 13th September 2007, 22:19

wait its not confirmed yet.it is likely that Mclaren have been found guilty of using the data but the punishment is still being delibrated.

13th September 2007, 22:23

The final verdict isn't out yet.

If they do get banned (rightly IMHO), the whining from the English press is going to be unbearable. And Ron would become a Saint overnight.

yogi1771 · 13th September 2007, 22:53

hi members just saw on bbc,mclaren have been banned for 2007 and 2008 season

merve_extreme · 13th September 2007, 22:55

we are getting conflicting reports,marca is saying 100M euro fine,no WCC points for 2007 and no driver penalties.We have to just wait.

tifosikrishna · 13th September 2007, 23:01

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Originally Posted by yogi1771

hi members just saw on bbc,mclaren have been banned for 2007 and 2008 season

mclaren will not be considered for constructors title for 07 and 08, however drivers retain their points. it really shouldn't matter for the fans like us.

here is the link

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula One | McLaren hit with constuctors' ban

yogi1771 · 13th September 2007, 23:03

will the drivers be allowed to race or they just keep the points

merve_extreme · 13th September 2007, 23:06

they will keep the point and can race for the WDC.
itv.com/f1 - McLaren loses all constructors' points

edit:

confirmed now:
100m euro fine
2007 WCC points stripped
2007 WDC not affected-both hamilton and alonso can keep the points and race for WDC.

normally_crazy · 13th September 2007, 23:17

I don't understand.

Mclaren is stripped of WCC because they used data to improve the cars but the drivers still can win the WDC in the same car ?

Seems like a hogwash. Why would Mclaren be interested in racing only for WDC only from day 1 in 2008 ?

merve_extreme · 13th September 2007, 23:20

there is no ruling for 08.only that the cars will be inspected before racing in 08.

and i think, the reason the WDC is kept as it is because Bernie fears F1 migh go down the drain if mclaren and the drivers are banned.

madhav · 13th September 2007, 23:21

yep McLaren loose only 2007 points. It would've been a severe blow to the sport to have them out of the 2008 championship as well. This should teach McLaren (and other teams) to cheat in a more efficient way and use the office photo copier!

My gut feeling is that this verdict is not going to end here. This issue has in fact opened a can of worms and a lot of things about the way F1 functions today has to be revisited.

I'm still a McLaren fan and would like to believe that this whole episode was a big game played by FIA and Ferrari... so McLaren still rule!!

razor4077 · 13th September 2007, 23:24

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Originally Posted by normally_crazy

I don't understand.

Mclaren is stripped of WCC because they used data to improve the cars but the drivers still can win the WDC in the same car ?

Seems like a hogwash. Why would Mclaren be interested in racing only for WDC only from day 1 in 2008 ?

Agreed. This is a bit farcical. Aren't the drivers considered part of the team??
I think this is the diplomatic way out... F1 cannot afford to boot Hamilton and Alonso out of the title race. Their intra-team battle coupled with the war against Ferrari is what's selling tickets and generating worldwide interest. Take those two out, and we have a repeat of 2004 - Ferrari dominance. Not what Bernie wants.
Docking the team mollifies Ferrari somewhat. Anyway, hoping to see a good fight to the finish this year! And yea, I hope a Ferrari wins it

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Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	This is like the Sanjay Dutt saga. Not gonna end anytime soon.
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13th September 2007, 22:16	#19
madhav BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 285 Thanked: 72 Times	damn... i cannot imagine the sunday races with McLaren now. I guess I'll just find somethings more interesting to do than watch F1. I guess Alonso was real smart in the way he has handled his role in McLaren team. Now he'll get himself out of the contract and move on with some other team. All that whining and complaining has only given him a good base to move on and not feel obligated to be with McLaren.
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merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	wait its not confirmed yet.it is likely that Mclaren have been found guilty of using the data but the punishment is still being delibrated. Last edited by merve_extreme : 13th September 2007 at 22:23.
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13th September 2007, 22:23	#21
SuperSyn Posts: n/a	The final verdict isn't out yet. If they do get banned (rightly IMHO), the whining from the English press is going to be unbearable. And Ron would become a Saint overnight.
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yogi1771 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 697 Thanked: 15 Times	hi members just saw on bbc,mclaren have been banned for 2007 and 2008 season
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merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	we are getting conflicting reports,marca is saying 100M euro fine,no WCC points for 2007 and no driver penalties.We have to just wait.
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yogi1771 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 697 Thanked: 15 Times	will the drivers be allowed to race or they just keep the points
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merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	they will keep the point and can race for the WDC. itv.com/f1 - McLaren loses all constructors' points edit: confirmed now: 100m euro fine 2007 WCC points stripped 2007 WDC not affected-both hamilton and alonso can keep the points and race for WDC. Last edited by merve_extreme : 13th September 2007 at 23:12.
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normally_crazy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,369 Thanked: 528 Times View My Garage	I don't understand. Mclaren is stripped of WCC because they used data to improve the cars but the drivers still can win the WDC in the same car ? Seems like a hogwash. Why would Mclaren be interested in racing only for WDC only from day 1 in 2008 ?
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13th September 2007, 23:20	#28
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	there is no ruling for 08.only that the cars will be inspected before racing in 08. and i think, the reason the WDC is kept as it is because Bernie fears F1 migh go down the drain if mclaren and the drivers are banned.
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13th September 2007, 23:21	#29
madhav BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 285 Thanked: 72 Times	yep McLaren loose only 2007 points. It would've been a severe blow to the sport to have them out of the 2008 championship as well. This should teach McLaren (and other teams) to cheat in a more efficient way and use the office photo copier! My gut feeling is that this verdict is not going to end here. This issue has in fact opened a can of worms and a lot of things about the way F1 functions today has to be revisited. I'm still a McLaren fan and would like to believe that this whole episode was a big game played by FIA and Ferrari... so McLaren still rule!! Last edited by madhav : 13th September 2007 at 23:25.
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