Kimi Raikkonen is 2007 F1 World Champion

route666 · 23rd October 2007, 10:20

hamilton admits human error for the gearbox slip up...again if they want to appeal thats a shame....

finneyp · 23rd October 2007, 10:36

Yes, Mclaren should now focus on the next season instead of wasting their time on Appeal etc, else BMW, Toyota & Renault are all gearing up to beat them too!

ajmat · 23rd October 2007, 10:57

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Originally Posted by jassi

i feel this is racing and victories and championships should be decided on the track and not off it

Mclaren should just move on and look forward as to how they can do well ON THE TRACK next season !!

Lewis Hamilton: 'I will win it on track'

Lewis Hamilton last night told McLaren that he does not want to become world champion by default after his team appealed against the decision by stewards not to penalise BMW and Williams over fuel irregularities at the Brazilian grand prix.

more here

khaadu75 · 23rd October 2007, 11:02

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Originally Posted by ajmat

Lewis Hamilton: 'I will win it on track'

Lewis Hamilton last night told McLaren that he does not want to become world champion by default after his team appealed against the decision by stewards not to penalise BMW and Williams over fuel irregularities at the Brazilian grand prix.

more here

Thats what you call a great racer ... Im sure he knows that he's way faster than the others on the circuit and he won't have to wait long before he wins it on track as well !!

But I still would like to see him win ... a win as a rookie is something totally different !!

suman · 23rd October 2007, 11:03

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Originally Posted by ajmat

Lewis Hamilton: 'I will win it on track'

Lewis Hamilton last night told McLaren that he does not want to become world champion by default after his team appealed against the decision by stewards not to penalise BMW and Williams over fuel irregularities at the Brazilian grand prix.

more here

Not to forget Alonso who's thrown in his bit for good measure as well -

itv.com/f1 - Alonso: Shameful if title won in court

route666 · 23rd October 2007, 11:11

it would be very unfair if hamilton wins this on court after all those mistakes in the final two races.

Aditya · 23rd October 2007, 11:35

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Originally Posted by route666

it would be very unfair if hamilton wins this on court after all those mistakes in the final two races.

And unsporting too.
But, as it turns out he is neither and has character. Well done, kid.

Dippy · 23rd October 2007, 11:41

Hamilton is a true sportsman and that shows it. He may have lost it this time around but he will surely be a force to reckon with in the coming seasons. Even admitting his own error is a very big thing. He is pure championship material and even if he did not win, finishing second that to by one point in his rookie season is a fantastic achievement. And no cant call him a rookie now

Well done Lewis.

thefreak · 23rd October 2007, 11:45

Man read the Alonso thing. Was that guy scathing against the McLaren team management. Must say that after an interview like this the chances of Alonso staying are bleak!

hillram · 23rd October 2007, 11:50

Guys,
Once in a personal interview at Woking,Mclaren Technology Centre, Ron Dennis said this " When you are second, your still the winner and first among the losers". Hamilton's thoughts purely reverberate this philosophy. After all RD carved Hamilton's career since he was 10.
Mclaren will be back next year and Hamilton will win the championsip.2007 is done... may be not dusted yet !!!

kphilip · 23rd October 2007, 12:28

The race was a treat, the best part i liked was in the start when both the ferraris blocked hamiltons car to cruise..Kimi was outstanding in this ACT!!

ethanh_hunt · 23rd October 2007, 12:51

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Originally Posted by thefreak

Man read the Alonso thing. Was that guy scathing against the McLaren team management. Must say that after an interview like this the chances of Alonso staying are bleak!

I am still not sure why he just cant leave and stop issuing such statements. Maybe he does not have a team to race for next season

Guys anybody knows whats the latest on the Mclaren appeal?

im_srini · 23rd October 2007, 13:03

As is, "wonder boy" kept his points only because of FIA's immunity offer. The success of the McLaren drivers on the track was because of their subterfuge & should've been dismissed as 'fruits of a poisonous tree' !

Anyway, can anybody throw some light on this fuel temperature fuss ? All I can find in the regulations are:
0. Fuel temperatures shouldn't fall below 10 degrees C from ambient (Article:6.5.5)
1. Devices that cool fuel are not allowed (Article:6.5.6)

If it's the former, then it follows that BMW & Williams cooled the fuel outside the cars, in the fuel rigs themselves. However, the fuel rigs are identical, supplied by a manufacturer specified by the FIA (Article:6.5.1) ! If it's the latter, the cars couldn't have passed scrutineering right ?

All this has precedence however, I remember seeing a picture, in a F1 magazine, from the early eighties, of a McLaren fuel rig - they used liquid nitrogen to cool the fuel ! Cool right ?

By the way, did anybody else find the commentators on StarSports unashamedly wishing for whiz-kid's success, & literally praying for cars ahead of him to fail, revolting ?

Aditya · 23rd October 2007, 13:05

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Originally Posted by ethanh_hunt

I am still not sure why he just cant leave and stop issuing such statements. Maybe he does not have a team to race for next season

Guys anybody knows whats the latest on the Mclaren appeal?

Probably he thinks there's no other team is capable of giving him a car that will win a championship. If he went to Ferrari, neither he nor Kimi would accept being #2 after their recent success. And anyway, Ferrari have confirmed Kimi and Massa. So, that road is blocked. BMW - not quite there. Renault - I don't know.
After Hamilton's statement, I don't think McLaren will appeal.

route666 · 23rd October 2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by im_srini

As is, "wonder boy" kept his points only because of FIA's immunity offer. The success of the McLaren drivers on the track was because of their subterfuge & should've been dismissed as 'fruits of a poisonous tree' !

Anyway, can anybody throw some light on this fuel temperature fuss ? All I can find in the regulations are:
0. Fuel temperatures shouldn't fall below 10 degrees C from ambient (Article:6.5.5)
1. Devices that cool fuel are not allowed (Article:6.5.6)

If it's the former, then it follows that BMW & Williams cooled the fuel outside the cars, in the fuel rigs themselves. However, the fuel rigs are identical, supplied by a manufacturer specified by the FIA (Article:6.5.1) ! If it's the latter, the cars couldn't have passed scrutineering right ?

All this has precedence however, I remember seeing a picture, in a F1 magazine, from the early eighties, of a McLaren fuel rig - they used liquid nitrogen to cool the fuel ! Cool right ?

By the way, did anybody else find the commentators on StarSports unashamedly wishing for whiz-kid's success, & literally praying for cars ahead of him to fail, revolting ?

they are british....until last weekend they were hoping to see two wold champions..but failed both in f1 and rugby...

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route666 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: cochin Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	hamilton admits human error for the gearbox slip up...again if they want to appeal thats a shame....
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23rd October 2007, 10:36	#92
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	Yes, Mclaren should now focus on the next season instead of wasting their time on Appeal etc, else BMW, Toyota & Renault are all gearing up to beat them too!
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route666 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: cochin Posts: 72 Thanked: 0 Times	it would be very unfair if hamilton wins this on court after all those mistakes in the final two races.
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23rd October 2007, 11:41	#98
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,561 Thanked: 2,469 Times	Hamilton is a true sportsman and that shows it. He may have lost it this time around but he will surely be a force to reckon with in the coming seasons. Even admitting his own error is a very big thing. He is pure championship material and even if he did not win, finishing second that to by one point in his rookie season is a fantastic achievement. And no cant call him a rookie now Well done Lewis.
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thefreak BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 362 Thanked: 7 Times	Man read the Alonso thing. Was that guy scathing against the McLaren team management. Must say that after an interview like this the chances of Alonso staying are bleak!
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23rd October 2007, 11:50	#100
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Guys, Once in a personal interview at Woking,Mclaren Technology Centre, Ron Dennis said this " When you are second, your still the winner and first among the losers". Hamilton's thoughts purely reverberate this philosophy. After all RD carved Hamilton's career since he was 10. Mclaren will be back next year and Hamilton will win the championsip.2007 is done... may be not dusted yet !!!
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23rd October 2007, 12:28	#101
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	The race was a treat, the best part i liked was in the start when both the ferraris blocked hamiltons car to cruise..Kimi was outstanding in this ACT!!
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23rd October 2007, 13:03	#103
im_srini BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portland Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 490 Times View My Garage	As is, "wonder boy" kept his points only because of FIA's immunity offer. The success of the McLaren drivers on the track was because of their subterfuge & should've been dismissed as 'fruits of a poisonous tree' ! Anyway, can anybody throw some light on this fuel temperature fuss ? All I can find in the regulations are: 0. Fuel temperatures shouldn't fall below 10 degrees C from ambient (Article:6.5.5) 1. Devices that cool fuel are not allowed (Article:6.5.6) If it's the former, then it follows that BMW & Williams cooled the fuel outside the cars, in the fuel rigs themselves. However, the fuel rigs are identical, supplied by a manufacturer specified by the FIA (Article:6.5.1) ! If it's the latter, the cars couldn't have passed scrutineering right ? All this has precedence however, I remember seeing a picture, in a F1 magazine, from the early eighties, of a McLaren fuel rig - they used liquid nitrogen to cool the fuel ! Cool right ? By the way, did anybody else find the commentators on StarSports unashamedly wishing for whiz-kid's success, & literally praying for cars ahead of him to fail, revolting ? Last edited by im_srini : 23rd October 2007 at 13:06.
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