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Dippy · 7th September 2008, 22:00

Undoubtedly the best race of the season so far. Kimi was fantastic today but it just goes to that nowadays the race isnt over till you cross the finish line. Sheer rotten luck after having lead for the whole race. Hammy seems to have some goodluck. And yes 8 very important points for Massa and Ferrari. All these will prove vital in the end. Hoping for a better race for Ferrari at Monza.

Dippy · 7th September 2008, 22:18

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Hamilton has been stripped of his Spa victory

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Aditya · 7th September 2008, 22:19

Good luck or otherwise, Hamilton won the race and that's what matters in the end.
IMO, Kimi needs to show more control and driving maturity expected of a World Champion. He's been completely out of sorts, driving very well only in patches. Massa's been more consistent and will be Hamilton's challenger for the rest of the season.

rranjith_kum · 7th September 2008, 22:29

Yeah hamilton was really stripped off his first place and now he is placed in 3rd... I just feel really bad for him and it was very clear that he let Kimi to take the lead and then only he overtook .. even the commentary had mentioned that ..
Kimi 's driving in wet was not at all upto the mark see even Massa held up !!

Dippy · 7th September 2008, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Aditya

Good luck or otherwise, Hamilton won the race and that's what matters in the end.
IMO, Kimi needs to show more control and driving maturity expected of a World Champion. He's been completely out of sorts, driving very well only in patches. Massa's been more consistent and will be Hamilton's challenger for the rest of the season.

Massa gets the victory now after Hamilton was stripped and I guess is 2 points away from Hammy. Heidfeld gets 2nd.

rranjith_kum · 7th September 2008, 22:32

Just asking you people one opinion will ferrari put all their money on Massa for the championship !!

normally_crazy · 7th September 2008, 22:33

Hamilton leads by 2 points.

dreamdiesel · 7th September 2008, 22:36

I really feel bad for Hamilton. He truly deserved the top place on the podium..

METISWHG · 7th September 2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by normally_crazy

Hamilton leads by 2 points.

much closer in Italy now.... and what about the finns future with ferrari. will alonso be driving ferrari with massa next year

SilentEngine · 7th September 2008, 22:42

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Originally Posted by rranjith_kum

Yeah hamilton was really stripped off his first place and now he is placed in 3rd... I just feel really bad for him and it was very clear that he let Kimi to take the lead and then only he overtook .. even the commentary had mentioned that ..
Kimi 's driving in wet was not at all upto the mark see even Massa held up !!

I think it is clear that the move was illegal. He took a short cut at the chicane and did not back off completely. You just can not just pull back to the slipstream and overtake immediately. Similar incident happened in Suzuka 05 where Alonso was forced to give the place back to Klien after couple of laps to avoid penalty

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Originally Posted by rranjith_kum

Just asking you people one opinion will ferrari put all their money on Massa for the championship !!

I guess they might do it after Monza.

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Originally Posted by METISWHG

much closer in Italy now.... and what about the finns future with ferrari. will alonso be driving ferrari with massa next year

Kimi's contract is till 2009 end.

rranjith_kum · 7th September 2008, 22:42

Yeah the championship lead is brought down to 2 points, they are really hard on Mclaren !!

Aditya · 7th September 2008, 22:45

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Originally Posted by dreamdiesel

I really feel bad for Hamilton. He truly deserved the top place on the podium..

More than feeling sorry for Hamilton, I laughing at the stewards' unbelievably silly reason for which he's stripped.

rranjith_kum · 7th September 2008, 22:49

Silent Engine : I agree he slipstreamed but didn't he give the place to kimi ? had he kept on his place let them then impose the penalty (the finn didn't capitalize things went spinning you should accept that kimi is worse when it rains remember him slaming into the back of Adrian sutil of Force India when it rained) . I felt Hamilton deserved that win, he was clearly better in wet than Kimi (ofcourse Heidfeld is better than both)
Even kimi took the advantage of the outer track escape in the hairpin and it did serve him the purpose of providing him the required traction thus he gained time on Massa on the first lap, he did the same again when he and Hamiton were fighting in the last lap

SilentEngine · 7th September 2008, 22:58

No, its not just about giving the place back. The point is did Hamilton gain an unfair advantage by short cutting the chicane? Answer is Yes. Actually he gained even more advantage by being in the slipstream. So the move is illegal in my view. The penalty may seem harsh, but usually there will be drive through penalties for these.

You can't compare this to first lap incidents where the risk of contact is high.The run off areas outside exist to avoid any unnecessary accidents, and by going there you are not going to get any advantage as it has less grip compared to the track

dreamdiesel · 7th September 2008, 23:02

How did Hamilton gain any advantage over anyone who finished? What kind of sport penalises you for skill?

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7th September 2008, 22:00	#2791
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,558 Thanked: 2,462 Times	Undoubtedly the best race of the season so far. Kimi was fantastic today but it just goes to that nowadays the race isnt over till you cross the finish line. Sheer rotten luck after having lead for the whole race. Hammy seems to have some goodluck. And yes 8 very important points for Massa and Ferrari. All these will prove vital in the end. Hoping for a better race for Ferrari at Monza.
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7th September 2008, 22:18	#2792
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,558 Thanked: 2,462 Times	NEWS JUST IN Hamilton has been stripped of his Spa victory Read about it here F1 Live Last edited by Dippy : 7th September 2008 at 22:19.
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7th September 2008, 22:19	#2793
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,828 Thanked: 77,002 Times View My Garage	Good luck or otherwise, Hamilton won the race and that's what matters in the end. IMO, Kimi needs to show more control and driving maturity expected of a World Champion. He's been completely out of sorts, driving very well only in patches. Massa's been more consistent and will be Hamilton's challenger for the rest of the season.
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7th September 2008, 22:29	#2794
rranjith_kum BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coimbatore/ Aachen Posts: 693 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Yeah hamilton was really stripped off his first place and now he is placed in 3rd... I just feel really bad for him and it was very clear that he let Kimi to take the lead and then only he overtook .. even the commentary had mentioned that .. Kimi 's driving in wet was not at all upto the mark see even Massa held up !!
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7th September 2008, 22:32	#2796
rranjith_kum BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coimbatore/ Aachen Posts: 693 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Just asking you people one opinion will ferrari put all their money on Massa for the championship !! Last edited by rranjith_kum : 7th September 2008 at 22:35.
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7th September 2008, 22:33	#2797
normally_crazy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,369 Thanked: 528 Times View My Garage	Hamilton leads by 2 points.
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7th September 2008, 22:36	#2798
dreamdiesel BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 420 Thanked: 60 Times	I really feel bad for Hamilton. He truly deserved the top place on the podium..
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7th September 2008, 22:42	#2801
rranjith_kum BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coimbatore/ Aachen Posts: 693 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Yeah the championship lead is brought down to 2 points, they are really hard on Mclaren !!
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7th September 2008, 22:49	#2803
rranjith_kum BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coimbatore/ Aachen Posts: 693 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Silent Engine : I agree he slipstreamed but didn't he give the place to kimi ? had he kept on his place let them then impose the penalty (the finn didn't capitalize things went spinning you should accept that kimi is worse when it rains remember him slaming into the back of Adrian sutil of Force India when it rained) . I felt Hamilton deserved that win, he was clearly better in wet than Kimi (ofcourse Heidfeld is better than both) Even kimi took the advantage of the outer track escape in the hairpin and it did serve him the purpose of providing him the required traction thus he gained time on Massa on the first lap, he did the same again when he and Hamiton were fighting in the last lap Last edited by rranjith_kum : 7th September 2008 at 22:52.
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7th September 2008, 22:58	#2804
SilentEngine Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: KA19,KA04 Posts: 1,167 Thanked: 735 Times View My Garage	No, its not just about giving the place back. The point is did Hamilton gain an unfair advantage by short cutting the chicane? Answer is Yes. Actually he gained even more advantage by being in the slipstream. So the move is illegal in my view. The penalty may seem harsh, but usually there will be drive through penalties for these. You can't compare this to first lap incidents where the risk of contact is high.The run off areas outside exist to avoid any unnecessary accidents, and by going there you are not going to get any advantage as it has less grip compared to the track
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7th September 2008, 23:02	#2805
dreamdiesel BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 420 Thanked: 60 Times	How did Hamilton gain any advantage over anyone who finished? What kind of sport penalises you for skill?
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