F1-2009...All your Discussions here....!

raj.barcode · 19th January 2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by somspaple

I would say new F1 rules have robbed the F1 cars their beauty (?).. F60 looks like a race car of lower spec kind of formula rolon cars. sad :(

Personally i think they are pretty good looking expect the rear wing

Also in terms of F60 Ferrari the mirrors positioning for the use for airflow looks very interesting. I am not sure but the seating position in f60 looks to have been brought forward unlike f2008 with a wheel base being smaller ( hopefully somebody can get those stats.)

speedzak · 20th January 2009, 00:01

I also didn't like the look of these new cars. Older ones were more grand and a feast for any motorsport eye.

Let's hope the action makes up for this.

raj.barcode · 20th January 2009, 10:32

Williams with winter testing livery

rolling on DUB · 20th January 2009, 15:20

For me the renault looks worse,may be due the colour and those shark fins on the back.

ferrari looks good,mclaren feels a bit better i feel its due to that colour scheme,williams could have done better with the colour.

All these things make these cars look like a lower spec versions.

rolling on DUB · 20th January 2009, 15:46

It's the BMW SAUBER F1.09....launched in valencia,SPAIN-20 Jan 2009

GTO · 21st January 2009, 11:47

Renault ought to get an award for the ugliest looking car. Note however, the ugliest car suddenly looks good if it qualifies anywhere on the front 2 rows in Australia!

raj.barcode · 21st January 2009, 12:26

here are other shots views BMW 1.09

anachronix · 21st January 2009, 13:57

The cars do look really compact!

You can see the narrow cockpit in this picture. Or is it Kimi who has become bigger

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Ardy · 21st January 2009, 14:09

2007 and 2008 were both fantastic seasons. This season, I predict would be more exciting and close between Ferraris, McLaren, BMW and Renault. Among the drivers, Lewis, Felipe, Kimi, Kubica and Alonso would be the ones to look out for.

With respect to the new cars, I think they are one of the ugliest looking F1 cars till date ... I hope they would not be slow as compared to previous seasons with the reduction in the RPM :-)

Well, hoping to witness a good season. Looking forward to Singapore night race and season finale at Abu Dhabi.

Have fun guys.

kuttapan · 22nd January 2009, 04:28

It is rumored that Ferrari F60 has front wing issues, reason why they shifted testing to Mugello, though they cited rain(which they got anyway). If it is true, they better sort it out soon, else they will get their backsides handed on a plate.

This season is going to be interesting, I think we have lots of surprises in store.

anachronix · 22nd January 2009, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuttapan

It is rumored that Ferrari F60 has front wing issues, reason why they shifted testing to Mugello, though they cited rain(which they got anyway). If it is true, they better sort it out soon, else they will get their backsides handed on a plate.

This season is going to be interesting, I think we have lots of surprises in store.

The front wing issue during the shakedown laps was due to a manufacturing defect on that particular part.

In the testing which happened at Mugello, Kimi had almost 3 trips off the track and the car came out safe without a damage.

PAVAN KADAM · 22nd January 2009, 14:04

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Originally Posted by anachronix

The cars do look really compact!

You can see the narrow cockpit in this picture. Or is it Kimi who has become bigger

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I doubt its Kimi or Massa.

That tall frame must be of Schumi

Nice scarlet Ferrari there.

Somehow i am not liking the front wing design, the F1 cars are now looking more like the dinky cars.

Samir Taheer · 22nd January 2009, 18:29

Now Nobert Haugh & Walter Riedl - have said that the Ferrari might be illegal due to the exterior rear exhaust oulets.

Anybody know what the new regulations state?

To me it looks like everyones got Rear exhausts so it must be a problem with the positioning? Or the fact that they are both exposed?

Can anyone shed some light on this?

raj.barcode · 22nd January 2009, 18:48

Specs of Bmw f 1.09

Specifications

Chassis: carbon-fibre monocoque
Suspension: upper and lower wishbones (front and rear),
inboard springs and dampers, actuated by pushrods (Sachs Race Engineering)
Brakes: six-piston brake callipers (Brembo), carbon pads and discs (Brembo, Carbone Industrie)
Transmission: G1.09 7-speed 'quick-shift' gearbox designed to last 4 races, longitudinally mounted, carbon-fibre clutch
KERS: System with energy storage in batteries, BMW Sauber F1 Team
Chassis electronics: MES
Steering wheel: BMW Sauber F1 Team
Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza
Wheels: OZ

Dimensions

Length: 4690 mm
Width: 1800 mm
Height: 1000 mm
Track width, front: 1470 mm
Track width, rear: 1410 mm
Weight: 605 kg (incl. driver, tank empty)

Engine

Type: BMW P86/8, normally aspirated V8
Bank angle: 90 degrees
Displacement: 2,400 cc
Valves: four per cylinder
Valve train: pneumatic
Engine block: aluminium
Cylinder head: aluminium
Crankshaft: steel
Oil system: dry sump lubrication
Engine management: standard ECU (MES)
Spark plugs: NGK
Pistons: aluminium
Connecting rods: titanium
Dimensions:

Length: 518 mm
Width: 555 mm
Height: 595 mm (overall)

Weight: 95 kg
Maximum engine speed: 18000 rpm

raj.barcode · 22nd January 2009, 18:49

Specifications of F60 Ferrari

Chassis: Carbon-fibre and honeycomb composite structure
Differential: Ferrari longitudinal gearbox, Limited-slip differential
Gearbox Semiautomatic sequential electronically controlled gearbox - quick shift; 7 gears + Reverse
Brakes: Brembo ventilated carbon-fibre disc brakes
Suspension: Independent suspension, push-rod activated torsion springs front and rear
Weight: (with water, lubricant and driver) 605 kg
Wheels: BBS Wheels (front and rear) 13"
Kers: Kinetic energy recovery system by Ferrari in cooperation with Magneti Marelli

Engine

Designation: Type 056
Configuration: Cilinder block in cast aluminium V8 90°
Number of valves: 32, pneumatically distributed
Displacement: 2398 cc
Piston bore: 98 mm
Weight: > 95 kg
Injection: Magneti Marelli digital electronic injection
Ignition: Magneti Marelli static electronic ignition
Fuel: Shell V-Power ULG-66L/2
Lubricant: Lubricant Shell

20th January 2009, 00:01	#122
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	I also didn't like the look of these new cars. Older ones were more grand and a feast for any motorsport eye. Let's hope the action makes up for this.
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raj.barcode BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 273 Times View My Garage	williams challenger Williams with winter testing livery Attached Thumbnails
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20th January 2009, 15:20	#124
rolling on DUB BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 53 Thanked: 5 Times	For me the renault looks worse,may be due the colour and those shark fins on the back. ferrari looks good,mclaren feels a bit better i feel its due to that colour scheme,williams could have done better with the colour. All these things make these cars look like a lower spec versions.
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20th January 2009, 15:46	#125
rolling on DUB BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 53 Thanked: 5 Times	It's the BMW SAUBER F1.09....launched in valencia,SPAIN-20 Jan 2009 Attached Thumbnails
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21st January 2009, 11:47	#126
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,534 Thanked: 300,734 Times View My Garage	Renault ought to get an award for the ugliest looking car. Note however, the ugliest car suddenly looks good if it qualifies anywhere on the front 2 rows in Australia!
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21st January 2009, 12:26	#127
raj.barcode BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 273 Times View My Garage	BMW f1.09 here are other shots views BMW 1.09 Attached Thumbnails
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21st January 2009, 13:57	#128
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	The cars do look really compact! You can see the narrow cockpit in this picture. Or is it Kimi who has become bigger ! Attached Thumbnails
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21st January 2009, 14:09	#129
Ardy BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 614 Thanked: 87 Times View My Garage	2007 and 2008 were both fantastic seasons. This season, I predict would be more exciting and close between Ferraris, McLaren, BMW and Renault. Among the drivers, Lewis, Felipe, Kimi, Kubica and Alonso would be the ones to look out for. With respect to the new cars, I think they are one of the ugliest looking F1 cars till date ... I hope they would not be slow as compared to previous seasons with the reduction in the RPM :-) Well, hoping to witness a good season. Looking forward to Singapore night race and season finale at Abu Dhabi. Have fun guys.
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22nd January 2009, 04:28	#130
kuttapan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,155 Thanked: 22 Times View My Garage	It is rumored that Ferrari F60 has front wing issues, reason why they shifted testing to Mugello, though they cited rain(which they got anyway). If it is true, they better sort it out soon, else they will get their backsides handed on a plate. This season is going to be interesting, I think we have lots of surprises in store.
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22nd January 2009, 18:29	#133
Samir Taheer BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: London & Pune Posts: 459 Thanked: 278 Times	Now Nobert Haugh & Walter Riedl - have said that the Ferrari might be illegal due to the exterior rear exhaust oulets. Anybody know what the new regulations state? To me it looks like everyones got Rear exhausts so it must be a problem with the positioning? Or the fact that they are both exposed? Can anyone shed some light on this? Last edited by Samir Taheer : 22nd January 2009 at 18:32.
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22nd January 2009, 18:48	#134
raj.barcode BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 273 Times View My Garage	Specifications at the time of launch Specs of Bmw f 1.09 Specifications Chassis: carbon-fibre monocoque Suspension: upper and lower wishbones (front and rear), inboard springs and dampers, actuated by pushrods (Sachs Race Engineering) Brakes: six-piston brake callipers (Brembo), carbon pads and discs (Brembo, Carbone Industrie) Transmission: G1.09 7-speed 'quick-shift' gearbox designed to last 4 races, longitudinally mounted, carbon-fibre clutch KERS: System with energy storage in batteries, BMW Sauber F1 Team Chassis electronics: MES Steering wheel: BMW Sauber F1 Team Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza Wheels: OZ Dimensions Length: 4690 mm Width: 1800 mm Height: 1000 mm Track width, front: 1470 mm Track width, rear: 1410 mm Weight: 605 kg (incl. driver, tank empty) Engine Type: BMW P86/8, normally aspirated V8 Bank angle: 90 degrees Displacement: 2,400 cc Valves: four per cylinder Valve train: pneumatic Engine block: aluminium Cylinder head: aluminium Crankshaft: steel Oil system: dry sump lubrication Engine management: standard ECU (MES) Spark plugs: NGK Pistons: aluminium Connecting rods: titanium Dimensions: Length: 518 mm Width: 555 mm Height: 595 mm (overall) Weight: 95 kg Maximum engine speed: 18000 rpm
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22nd January 2009, 18:49	#135
raj.barcode BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 273 Times View My Garage	Specs at the time of launch Specifications of F60 Ferrari Chassis: Carbon-fibre and honeycomb composite structure Differential: Ferrari longitudinal gearbox, Limited-slip differential Gearbox Semiautomatic sequential electronically controlled gearbox - quick shift; 7 gears + Reverse Brakes: Brembo ventilated carbon-fibre disc brakes Suspension: Independent suspension, push-rod activated torsion springs front and rear Weight: (with water, lubricant and driver) 605 kg Wheels: BBS Wheels (front and rear) 13" Kers: Kinetic energy recovery system by Ferrari in cooperation with Magneti Marelli Engine Designation: Type 056 Configuration: Cilinder block in cast aluminium V8 90° Number of valves: 32, pneumatically distributed Displacement: 2398 cc Piston bore: 98 mm Weight: > 95 kg Injection: Magneti Marelli digital electronic injection Ignition: Magneti Marelli static electronic ignition Fuel: Shell V-Power ULG-66L/2 Lubricant: Lubricant Shell
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