Australian GP 2009

anachronix · 9th April 2009, 17:16

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Originally Posted by hiren.mistry

I fear for them, I really do. It was my fav team till Mika and Kimi were there.
If another fine like the one they got in 2007 is levied I doubt the team would be able to survive.

At time I do feel its witch hunt against them.

There are rumors that Mercedes is not pleased with this entire lie-gate.

Hiren

It was my favourite team next to Ferrari until 2006!

I always loved the classic Michael Vs Mika fights on track. I was cheering for Kimi & Mclaren in 2005. But it all came down when they were caught Spying Ferrari.

If Mclaren is punished by WMSC it will be nothing more than a 2 race ban I beleive. But there might be lot of effects on the team outside the sport. There is strong rumor that Antony Hamilton is busy visiting BrawnGP guys & also there was a high level meeting held between Hamilton & Mclaren Management this Tuesday in UK.

The team is in desperate need of a re-org. Things should get better then.

Aditya · 9th April 2009, 17:41

I've moved all the lie-gate related posts to the Aussie GP thread since they are related to that race.

nitrous · 9th April 2009, 18:43

I watched the BBC Sport broadcast of the Malaysian GP qualifying.
The Radio communication between Hamilton and Team during the SC period is shown.
And It is clear as glass that they're guilty.

Btw, Who is this 'Charlie' that Hamilton asks to check with regarding giving back the position?

Dippy · 9th April 2009, 18:56

I think F1 is becoming more of a soap opera off the track now. Whatever happened at Australia is done and Lewis was punished for it. Whether it was fair or not I do not know. F1 is already on a tight budget this year and you never know which team will go kaput when. It is very important for more teams to be on the grid else there will be no sport. I am a Ferrari fan and a hardcore one at that but F1 cannot survive without the top teams be it Ferrari or Mclaren or Renault. I feel that the teams should get on with their game to improve performances rather getting into these issues off track.

Brawn GP winning is a welcome refresh but we all know that F1 is never the same without the classic battles of Mclaren and Ferrari. Hope to see a change in their fortunes come Europe.

Bernie, Lets just get back to racing shall we?

hillram · 9th April 2009, 19:14

I feel Mclaren need to conduct themselves properly and put various disciplinary measures to avoid such fiasco in Oz.
Mind you Mclaren is one of the most discplined teams in the F1 Paddocks and have grommed many world champions in the past.
Hamilton is one of the in their latest quest for glory.

anachronix · 9th April 2009, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

I watched the BBC Sport broadcast of the Malaysian GP qualifying.
The Radio communication between Hamilton and Team during the SC period is shown.
And It is clear as glass that they're guilty.

Btw, Who is this 'Charlie' that Hamilton asks to check with regarding giving back the position?

Thats Charlie Whiting, Race Director.

nitrous · 9th April 2009, 23:30

Ok, It was Charlie's mistake.
He's the guy who asked Hamilton to give back the position to Trulli. If not, Hamilton could have rightfully had the 3rd place, as per the rule book.

hiren.mistry · 10th April 2009, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by anachronix

It was my favourite team next to Ferrari until 2006!

I always loved the classic Michael Vs Mika fights on track. I was cheering for Kimi & Mclaren in 2005. But it all came down when they were caught Spying Ferrari.

If Mclaren is punished by WMSC it will be nothing more than a 2 race ban I beleive. But there might be lot of effects on the team outside the sport. There is strong rumor that Antony Hamilton is busy visiting BrawnGP guys & also there was a high level meeting held between Hamilton & Mclaren Management this Tuesday in UK.

The team is in desperate need of a re-org. Things should get better then.

Oh those were the heady days of F1. Mika winning 2 back-2-back titles and going for the third. I still vividly remember the Spa race, a Ricardo Zonta sandwich between Mika and Schumi. That was Epic stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

I watched the BBC Sport broadcast of the Malaysian GP qualifying.
The Radio communication between Hamilton and Team during the SC period is shown.
And It is clear as glass that they're guilty.

Btw, Who is this 'Charlie' that Hamilton asks to check with regarding giving back the position?

Charlie Whiting is the FIA nominated race director, hes' the guy that controls the light sequence at the start.

Cheers

SilentEngine · 10th April 2009, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

Ok, It was Charlie's mistake.
He's the guy who asked Hamilton to give back the position to Trulli. If not, Hamilton could have rightfully had the 3rd place, as per the rule book.

How is it Charlie's mistake? There was no communication from the race director to give back the position. Whatever you heard in the pit to car radio transmission is between McLaren and Lewis. The team said they were still waiting for Charlie to get back, but did not get a response from him.

The way things are going there seem to be more action off the track than on it. This is not good for the sport at all.

Aditya · 10th April 2009, 13:13

According to Jackie Stewart, Charlie was busy sorting out the Kubica - Vettel incident and no one was there to respond to McLaren's call. If that's true, it's definitely incompetence on the FIA's part, because there should be a backup official in F1, which is the pinnacle of motorsprts.

anachronix · 14th April 2009, 08:27

I wonder how Jackie would have got the sneak on whats going on at the Race Control! He makes no sense with what he says when he was not even there to attend the race.

I usually take Jackie's "May be" or "Could be" with a pinch of salt!

And I hope you know the Jackie & Mad Max love story last year

Aditya · 14th April 2009, 09:49

I wouldn't blame Whiting for what happened. If he was busy with the Vettel - Kubica incident, it would be impossible for him to sort out the Hamilton - Trulli incident. After all, he's not superhuman. It's clear from the transcripts that there was no one to sort out the incident. It would help if there was a backup official. Anyway, that's not the problem. It's what Hamilton said to the stewards after the race that's caused the controversy. He lied and paid the price for it.

jraj · 16th April 2009, 16:15

Jeez,
The LiarGate is surely snowballing into a major crisis in Mclaren.

Ron Dennis apparently has quit to make Anthony Hamilton happy so he let's his son stay with Mclaren Mercedes team and also to lessen whatever punishment that could be meted out of WMSC hearing.

Dennis announces he's quitting Formula One - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

9th April 2009, 17:41	#137
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,830 Thanked: 77,012 Times View My Garage	I've moved all the lie-gate related posts to the Aussie GP thread since they are related to that race.
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9th April 2009, 18:43	#138
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	I watched the BBC Sport broadcast of the Malaysian GP qualifying. The Radio communication between Hamilton and Team during the SC period is shown. And It is clear as glass that they're guilty. Btw, Who is this 'Charlie' that Hamilton asks to check with regarding giving back the position?
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9th April 2009, 18:56	#139
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,558 Thanked: 2,462 Times	I think F1 is becoming more of a soap opera off the track now. Whatever happened at Australia is done and Lewis was punished for it. Whether it was fair or not I do not know. F1 is already on a tight budget this year and you never know which team will go kaput when. It is very important for more teams to be on the grid else there will be no sport. I am a Ferrari fan and a hardcore one at that but F1 cannot survive without the top teams be it Ferrari or Mclaren or Renault. I feel that the teams should get on with their game to improve performances rather getting into these issues off track. Brawn GP winning is a welcome refresh but we all know that F1 is never the same without the classic battles of Mclaren and Ferrari. Hope to see a change in their fortunes come Europe. Bernie, Lets just get back to racing shall we?
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9th April 2009, 19:14	#140
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	I feel Mclaren need to conduct themselves properly and put various disciplinary measures to avoid such fiasco in Oz. Mind you Mclaren is one of the most discplined teams in the F1 Paddocks and have grommed many world champions in the past. Hamilton is one of the in their latest quest for glory.
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9th April 2009, 23:30	#142
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Ok, It was Charlie's mistake. He's the guy who asked Hamilton to give back the position to Trulli. If not, Hamilton could have rightfully had the 3rd place, as per the rule book.
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10th April 2009, 13:13	#145
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,830 Thanked: 77,012 Times View My Garage	According to Jackie Stewart, Charlie was busy sorting out the Kubica - Vettel incident and no one was there to respond to McLaren's call. If that's true, it's definitely incompetence on the FIA's part, because there should be a backup official in F1, which is the pinnacle of motorsprts.
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14th April 2009, 08:27	#146
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	I wonder how Jackie would have got the sneak on whats going on at the Race Control! He makes no sense with what he says when he was not even there to attend the race. I usually take Jackie's "May be" or "Could be" with a pinch of salt! And I hope you know the Jackie & Mad Max love story last year
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14th April 2009, 09:49	#147
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,830 Thanked: 77,012 Times View My Garage	I wouldn't blame Whiting for what happened. If he was busy with the Vettel - Kubica incident, it would be impossible for him to sort out the Hamilton - Trulli incident. After all, he's not superhuman. It's clear from the transcripts that there was no one to sort out the incident. It would help if there was a backup official. Anyway, that's not the problem. It's what Hamilton said to the stewards after the race that's caused the controversy. He lied and paid the price for it.
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16th April 2009, 16:15	#148
jraj BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Michigan,USA Posts: 487 Thanked: 173 Times View My Garage	Ron Dennis quits F1 Jeez, The LiarGate is surely snowballing into a major crisis in Mclaren. Ron Dennis apparently has quit to make Anthony Hamilton happy so he let's his son stay with Mclaren Mercedes team and also to lessen whatever punishment that could be meted out of WMSC hearing. Dennis announces he's quitting Formula One - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
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