Aston Martin - why arent they in F1??

aveek · 19th July 2005, 17:21

Hey, I was thinking bout this for a bit - why arent Aston Martin in F1?? They have, quite clearly, a complete Ferrari slayer in pretty much every segment they do contend in, and they are a very high-profile elite car-maker. They definitely have the capability, so why arent they getting onto the F1 bandwagon??

iceman91 · 19th July 2005, 17:31

maybe they dont want to....maybe like other prestige car makers they dont want to get into motorsports which for them will lower their "class" and "prestige"
for that matter even bentley and rolls royce are not into it...

aveek · 19th July 2005, 17:34

Hmmm... but if hey kicked a$$ wouldnt that technically increase their 'class'... Bentley and RR I guess we can count on, cause they don't make real SPORTS cars as such. They're much more into the luxury-that-happened-to-have-insane-power league... Aston, though, do produce fantastic sports cars, albeit with lots of luxury too... it seems pretty strange, cause F1 is a real money making business, and it seems pretty strange that such a manufacturer wouldnt wanna get in there...

shravan316 · 19th July 2005, 17:38

F1 and production cars are totally different segment. Its easy to make a production car, but, really tough to make an F1 car go around the track quickly.
Sure they may have the capability, but, money too is a huge factor, and starting off a F1 team in this era is a huge task. Toyota has been pumping in huge amounts of money, their budget is as good as any top F1 team. Infact i think they had the highest budget when they first joined F1(??).

So IMO, budget maybe one of the reason why they haven't yet entered F1 as yet.

Remember Jaguar?? They do make good road cars, but, in F1 they didnt quite do well in F1.

ajmat · 19th July 2005, 17:48

Ford owns Jaguar - entered Formula 1 = ouch!!! - sold company

Ford owns Aston Martin - enter Formula 1 - same story ? making profit ? bye bye

Astons are more touring car hence Le man is more suited like Bentley

Sid Schumacher · 19th July 2005, 18:45

Well Jaguar didnt do too well did it??..and neither did Lotus...I have been looking forward to see Porsche into F1..
Got to see wat have they got.

merve_extreme · 19th July 2005, 18:55

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Originally Posted by iceman91

maybe they dont want to....maybe like other prestige car makers they dont want to get into motorsports which for them will lower their "class" and "prestige"
for that matter even bentley and rolls royce are not into it...

Hello.Bently does race in LeMans.RR does not race because the purpose of starting RR was because Royce wanted to make more refined and reliable cars than their rivals and not technologically better cars.RR were never numero uno when it comes to Tech.Bently has always been sporty compared to RR.

Every car company cannot jump into any sport.One can ask why does Merc or BMW not enter WRC.i'm sure they can be competative.

turbo_lover · 19th July 2005, 18:57

that way we should have chevrolet's participating too...they have huge financial resourses and they supply engines for those indy races ...porsches ,lambos ,VWs they may all fit the bill ...

like ice said .. its about maintaining a " class " for such exotic car makers ...

v1p3r · 19th July 2005, 20:26

Merve...German (BMW Merc) participation in WRC is absent because they are not out to position themselves as on-the-edge boy racers. Also. engine specs are 2l + turbo. Very few MBs or Beemers run such low displacement.

Bentley just doesn't have the money. And F1 is NOT a money making scheme! Who told you that? It's just brand building! Maybe the top few teams (read Ferrari) make some dough, but you can't count on winning everytime.

iceman91 · 19th July 2005, 21:08

merve i was talking about F1.....

merve_extreme · 19th July 2005, 22:45

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

And F1 is NOT a money making scheme! Who told you that? It's just brand building! Maybe the top few teams (read Ferrari) make some dough, but you can't count on winning everytime.

No one Except the drivers(MS earns the most),excluding those like Narian who have to pay fpr their seats.

agree ur point on WRC.but they could build a engine if they wanted to.

Iceman,
I thought u were refering to all types motor races when u mentioned about bently.

GTO · 19th July 2005, 23:42

In addition to what Ajmat already added:

Simply put, competing in Formula 1 is tough. And its better to stay away than make a public fool of yourself. Jaguars brand value actually dipped after their horrendous years in Formula 1.

GTO

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aveek BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 294 Thanked: 2 Times	Aston Martin - why arent they in F1?? Hey, I was thinking bout this for a bit - why arent Aston Martin in F1?? They have, quite clearly, a complete Ferrari slayer in pretty much every segment they do contend in, and they are a very high-profile elite car-maker. They definitely have the capability, so why arent they getting onto the F1 bandwagon?? Last edited by v12 : 19th July 2005 at 18:18.
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iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	maybe they dont want to....maybe like other prestige car makers they dont want to get into motorsports which for them will lower their "class" and "prestige" for that matter even bentley and rolls royce are not into it...
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19th July 2005, 17:34	#3
aveek BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 294 Thanked: 2 Times	Hmmm... but if hey kicked a$$ wouldnt that technically increase their 'class'... Bentley and RR I guess we can count on, cause they don't make real SPORTS cars as such. They're much more into the luxury-that-happened-to-have-insane-power league... Aston, though, do produce fantastic sports cars, albeit with lots of luxury too... it seems pretty strange, cause F1 is a real money making business, and it seems pretty strange that such a manufacturer wouldnt wanna get in there...
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19th July 2005, 17:38	#4
shravan316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,029 Thanked: 9 Times	F1 and production cars are totally different segment. Its easy to make a production car, but, really tough to make an F1 car go around the track quickly. Sure they may have the capability, but, money too is a huge factor, and starting off a F1 team in this era is a huge task. Toyota has been pumping in huge amounts of money, their budget is as good as any top F1 team. Infact i think they had the highest budget when they first joined F1(??). So IMO, budget maybe one of the reason why they haven't yet entered F1 as yet. Remember Jaguar?? They do make good road cars, but, in F1 they didnt quite do well in F1.
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19th July 2005, 17:48	#5
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,858 Thanked: 27,925 Times View My Garage	Ford owns Jaguar - entered Formula 1 = ouch!!! - sold company Ford owns Aston Martin - enter Formula 1 - same story ? making profit ? bye bye Astons are more touring car hence Le man is more suited like Bentley
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19th July 2005, 18:45	#6
Sid Schumacher BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 262 Thanked: 3 Times	Well Jaguar didnt do too well did it??..and neither did Lotus...I have been looking forward to see Porsche into F1.. Got to see wat have they got.
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turbo_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,377 Thanked: 9 Times	that way we should have chevrolet's participating too...they have huge financial resourses and they supply engines for those indy races ...porsches ,lambos ,VWs they may all fit the bill ... like ice said .. its about maintaining a " class " for such exotic car makers ...
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19th July 2005, 20:26	#9
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Merve...German (BMW Merc) participation in WRC is absent because they are not out to position themselves as on-the-edge boy racers. Also. engine specs are 2l + turbo. Very few MBs or Beemers run such low displacement. Bentley just doesn't have the money. And F1 is NOT a money making scheme! Who told you that? It's just brand building! Maybe the top few teams (read Ferrari) make some dough, but you can't count on winning everytime.
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19th July 2005, 21:08	#10
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	merve i was talking about F1.....
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19th July 2005, 23:42	#12
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,497 Thanked: 300,308 Times View My Garage	In addition to what Ajmat already added: Simply put, competing in Formula 1 is tough. And its better to stay away than make a public fool of yourself. Jaguars brand value actually dipped after their horrendous years in Formula 1. GTO
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