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Originally Posted by karizma_devil Cricket : India Vs Australia (Sydney) Indian 419/8 , 45 more to win. Sachin 151* , Nehra 99* ( Maiden ton in sight) , sachin makes a bad call , both are stranded at the single end. Who walks ?? Na brainer Nehra ! Should Captain and coash force him to walk ?? NO . Is this cheating ? NO.
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Guys F1 is a complete Team Sport, and these drivers drive for a team. In case of team orders, teams get away with a lot of things you might expect Article 39.1 to prevent. They would have to be quite blatant to get caught and punished - just like these bunch a Ferrari jokers !
Examples - 2007 Brazilian GP - Massa in NO position to win Drivers Championship, last race of season. So at the 2nd pit stop he swaps the lead with Kimi , who went on to win the race and the title by 1 point.
- 2008 chinese Gp - Kimi moves over for Mass , as Massa is the best bet to win the Drivers championship.
- 2008 Hockenheim - Heikki was refrained from chasing down a limping Lewis.
- 2006 Suzuka - "Jarno let Ralf Pass" La la la la I cant hear you la la la ." The team was not investigated , but had they been title contenders surely we would have cried dry ! ( WHAT JOKE)
F1 has been a team sport and will be. If a team boss spends close to $450 Million putting 2 cars on grid all year they should have the right to take a call which could affect them , when they get there.
Ferrari's actions in Austria 2002( "Let michel pass for the championship, Rubens, Please - Jean Todd) were crass !And in 2010 were DUMB !
In terms of talent and contract Rubens was always the number 2 driver , the only person surprised was Rubean and a few people who were presumably watching F1 for the 1st time that weekend. |
Okay I have read your semi angst ridden post, think we all understand it is a team sport and teams will do anything to win at least some of them will.
I don't completely agree with your take on a driver's ability deciding whether a driver is number one or two in a team, It is governed by a lot of factors like personal bais of the team, mentors, connection, contract, sponsors, funding the driver brings and probably somwhere in the list is...standout driver talent! . The way F1 is right now and has been for the quite so many years, the driver is only as good as the car. If you think Sebestian Vettel is better than Nico Rosberg or Adrian Sutil. Not that I have anything Vettel and his talent, but give them all the same car and we'd all know for sure if Vettel retains his smug smile. MS is/was a personal favourite till Kimi came along. While MS has his strengths and superior driving skills honed by driving superior machines for over half a decade, this season has yet again proven that he is only as good as the car he drives. This season, he just turns up at each race to drive around the park doesn't he i.e. with kids lapping him every now and then. I am beginning to wonder how he's 'enjoying' the process at all. Most of these drivers are good enough to be packaged as the next MS, whether they are as lucky or shrewd as him is another matter.
As for, whether Ferrari has been crass in the past and dumb off late is not the question as it is always in the hands of the ' magnanimous ' driver in front of his much favoured partner. This guy can make it look real smooth or make it look like a handing a gift to his partner, as did Massa and Rubens when put into a situation. You can blame it on Massa for taking the foot of the paddle and Smedly for saying the words, but they did it not because they are dumb, but because they wanted to show to the world that its a gift handed over to alonso, all in the name of overall Team success. The contract stays where it is, they stay within it but they aren't happy about it....that's all !! The real deal is does it make for a fun watch, is this real racing, is this real winning by real racing drivers or autobots placed in Red cars? Is it really worth watching and rooting for ? Ferrari has a legend which other team look to chase, at this stage in their motor raching journey should they be looking to act so desperate ? Is this the kinda fightback a true Tifiosi fan expects from Ferrari. Unfortunately for Ferrari, its been like that for quite so many years, they use their unlimited resources to develop theirs into the fastest car on the grid and put up a 'show' for the fans, no real racing but a controlled 'show' ! Quote:
Originally Posted by anachronix There were 2 instances where Alonso clearly got on the inside of Massa and Massa cut across Alonso stupidly in the name of defense where Alonso breaked hard to save his car's front nose. That defense by Massa was stupid enough!
Btw, I dont enjoy the site of 2 ferrari cars crashing out each other! |
Are you saying when the driver from another team cuts across like that, its not stupid but racing, but when your own team mate does its plain stupid ?
MS has been and does a lot of stupid things like putting his car in front of other people clearly when he doesn't have the pace...whats your take on that ?
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