[B-Taurus]

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

Updates:
Upgraded wipers to those of Toyota Fortuner: I always loved the Hybrid shape wipers on the Crysta. However the Crysta used larger size wipers than XL6. Thankfully the current Fortuner uses the same spec as XL6, 22/16 and I ordered them instantly via Boodmo. Wipe quality is top notch, and for future replacements, I'll just need to change the rubber element and not the entire assembly.

Hi Shashi, my XL6 is almost 3yrs old and I was contemplating changing the wiper blades before the monsoons start in this part of the world. That’s when I came across your post of having upgraded to the Toyota Fortuner wipers and I immediately placed my orders on Boodmo.
At 4K it’s quite expensive considering the stock XL6 wipers are under 600/-

I still haven’t used them as there were no rains after the installation, however it looks pretty good and class.

My question is regarding the last statement in your post.
Where do we buy the rubber element from? I checked a bit online and can’t find anything, can you please throw some light on that?

Considering that is one of the most important part for wiping, how do we ensure that we find the right one and how?

[BlueKatana]

Originally Posted by B-Taurus

Where do we buy the rubber element from?

Here are the links for the rubber elements:
- RUBBER WIPER, RH
- RUBBER, WIPER, LH

[BlueKatana]

Originally Posted by B-Taurus

Can you please tell me if your model is Alpha or Zeta?

If this is compatible with Zeta I would be interested in this update.

Unfortunately, this part is only compatible with Alpha models, Zeta models use a different mounting design.

[Ford@XL6]

Given to understand this shall be compatible with Sep 2019 Alpha MT. Trying to be doubly sure before planning to purchase. Please advise.
Thanks

[BlueKatana]

Originally Posted by Ford@XL6

Trying to be doubly sure before planning to purchase. Please advise.

This part will be compatible with your car as you mentioned it being an Alpha model.

[ganeshrcp]

Hello XL6 family,

I’m excited to share that my XL6 Alpha AT has reached the 40,000 km milestone this month. I’ve been extremely happy and satisfied with both the vehicle and the sales and service experiences from my Nexa dealer.

However, I’ve encountered a minor hiccup that I’m trying to understand and resolve. Over the past few months, I’ve noticed a strange clutter noise from the engine bay during cold starts (only while the gear is engaged), which disappears once the engine warms up.

I reported this issue during the 30,000 km service. The dealer did their best to diagnose and fix it by replacing many components like the ISG belt, tensioner, and other components. Despite their efforts, the noise persisted. Diagnosing the issue was time-consuming as the engine needed to cool down completely for the noise to reappear. After holding the vehicle at the service centre for couple of days, they eventually replaced the water pump under warranty, which reduced the noise slightly but did not eliminate it. Now, after another 10,000 km, the noise has returned more intensely, and during cold starts, my vehicle almost sounds like a diesel car.

The dealer staff has been very supportive and is willing to take my vehicle back for further diagnostics. I am planning to return the vehicle for service again. Has anyone else faced similar issues or have any experiences to share? Any insights for me?

XL6.rar

Thanks in advance…

[BlueKatana]

Originally Posted by ganeshrcp

I’ve noticed a strange clutter noise from the engine bay during cold starts (only while the gear is engaged), which disappears once the engine warms up.

Has anyone else faced similar issues or have any experiences to share? Any insights for me?

Do get your motor mounts checked if you're facing significant cluttering noise and vibrations.

I too own the Alpha AT variant however I only face this issue on cold winter mornings, better to wait for the rpms to drop below 1000 and then shift to gear and drive below 3000 rpms till the engine reaches operating temperature.

[ganeshrcp]

Originally Posted by BlueKatana

Do get your motor mounts checked if you're facing significant cluttering noise and vibrations.

I too own the Alpha AT variant however I only face this issue on cold winter mornings, better to wait for the rpms to drop below 1000 and then shift to gear and drive below 3000 rpms till the engine reaches operating temperature.

Thanks for your reply dear @BlueKatana.
I am following the exact procedure you suggested to avoid this clutter noise. I always engage the gears only after the engine warms up and the RPM drops below 1000. However, the noise persists for a few minutes after engaging the gears too.

I am concerned because this is not typical behavior for a Suzuki K15B engine with a 4-speed TC transmission and SHVS. It used to be extremely quiet regardless of engine temperature or RPM.

[jsrakkar]

Originally Posted by ganeshrcp

.......Over the past few months, I’ve noticed a strange clutter noise from the engine bay during cold starts (only while the gear is engaged), which disappears once the engine warms up.....

I too have been facing a similar issue with my 2022 XL6 AT.

In my scenario, there is only noise and no associated vibrations. It seems like something is loose in the engine bay. I might be wrong in the diagnosis, but it seems to be somewhere near the airbox as it 'sounds' like a inhaling sort of thing.

Similar to your case, it disappers by the time I reach the service station which is a few kms from my place and the car has warmed up enough by that time.

Regards,
Jaspreet Singh

[anupamsinha]

@leoshashi I went through the entire thread. Thanks for sharing and helping.

I want to know if you did opt for any coating or any film (ceramic/PPF). I have booked XL6 and IIRC you didn't went through any coating for XL6.

Also if you didn't opt for any coating which products do you use for maintaining your car?

[B-Taurus]

I have been thinking I changing the indicator bulbs of the XL6 to LED type.

From Boodmo I found out the specifications as 12v, 21W (https://boodmo.com/catalog/part-bulb_12v_21w-6781683/).

The type of bulb (mainly the type of holder) is visible in the pic.

I tried to look online for LED and found this on Amazon (https://amzn.in/d/66Bmubo).

Shashi, can you please confirm that these LED will fit on both front and rear?

What about the bulb on the fender and the mirror?

[Herbie98]

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

Updates:

Upgraded wipers to those of Toyota Fortuner: I always loved the Hybrid shape wipers on the Crysta. However the Crysta used larger size wipers than XL6. Thankfully the current Fortuner uses the same spec as XL6, 22/16 and I ordered them instantly via Boodmo. Wipe quality is top notch, and for future replacements, I'll just need to change the rubber element and not the entire assembly.

The hybrid wipers of Crysta have not been durable. The clean sweep lasts only 3-4 months and in less than 1 yr the rubber gets torn at the blade edges. This is on a car thats always parked on covered parking with pleasant Bangalore climate. Observed the same problem in my cousin's Crysta as well. Heard the same issue while chatting with another owner at the service station, looks like a common issue.

And wiper rubber is not cheap in toyota - it costs around Rs 750 & 450 for right & left side respectively.

I always felt MGP (Syndicate) wipers to be very good, cleans well and lasts long. I have replaced MGP wiper blades on our Crysta - S-Cross driver side & Ciaz passenger side.

[M3GHNAAD]

Originally Posted by Herbie98

The hybrid wipers of Crysta have not been durable. The clean sweep lasts only 3-4 months and in less than 1 yr the rubber gets torn at the blade edges. This is on a car thats always parked on covered parking with pleasant Bangalore climate. Observed the same problem in my cousin's Crysta as well. Heard the same issue while chatting with another owner at the service station, looks like a common issue.

And wiper rubber is not cheap in toyota - it costs around Rs 750 & 450 for right & left side respectively.

I always felt MGP (Syndicate) wipers to be very good, cleans well and lasts long. I have replaced MGP wiper blades on our Crysta - S-Cross driver side & Ciaz passenger side.

If it's not a hassle, can you provide the link for the same? After the monsoon, I am in constant search for better wipers, hence, would love to check them out.

[Herbie98]

Originally Posted by M3GHNAAD

If it's not a hassle, can you provide the link for the same? After the monsoon, I am in constant search for better wipers, hence, would love to check them out.

I bought it from a MGP store near me. The best part about Maruti is easy availability of spares.For Crysta, the wiper blade sizes are 26" and 16" which matches to Maruti's S-Cross Driver side and Ciaz passenger side.

[BlueKatana]

Observed differences between the pre-facelift and facelift XL6

My dad happened to purchase another XL6, and so now we have two of the same cars in the family. However upon closer inspection, there is quite a difference (in terms of feel) in the newer model. All the listed observations were made over the course of 3 months, so a pretty significant time to get the feel of both the cars.


Powertrain

The old XL6 comes with Suzuki’s K15B motor paired with a Jatco sourced 4-speed torque converter unit.


The new XL6 comes with Suzuki’s K15C motor paired with an Aisin sourced 6-speed torque converter unit.


Driving Experience
The new K15C motor is significantly quieter when compared to the K15B unit, it doesn’t have the infamous K15B droning noise upon acceleration. Upon cold start, the engine idles at 1500 rpm for much longer than the old engine.

Off the line, the pull of the engine is strong and feels really smooth, especially the jerkiness in the 1st gear in manual mode isn’t present at all, the old gearbox would have you being extremely delicate with the throttle inputs in L mode. The shifts are smooth, however, the transition from 1st to 2nd isn’t as smooth as the old 4-speed unit.

The gearing is not as tall as the older unit, it reaches 80 kmph in 3rd where the old unit would do so in 2nd. The additional two gears have helped the engine to cruise at much lower rpms, 100 kmph has the engine cruising at 2100 rpm where the old unit would do 2500 rpm.

The gearbox does get confused at times in automatic mode. I happened to notice some hesitation between 3rd-5th gear, it simply gets confused over which gear to select. Over some very slight inclined sections, the gearbox tends to hold onto much lower gears, it does get annoying at times because the engine unnecessarily revs like a CVT. Manual mode is the only solution to combat this issue, wished Maruti tuned the gearbox better. The older gearbox was pretty direct and straightforward in such scenarios.

The overall performance of the motor isn’t as eager as the older unit, low end is definitely much stronger, but the way the pull suddenly tapers off as it enters the mid range is a bit disappointing. It’s quite evident that the tune is more biased towards efficiency and sedate cruising so it does feel slower in flat-out acceleration when compared to the older one, however, it is not "underpowered" as many users report it to be. The engine behaves exactly the way a standard NA engine is supposed to, it won't surprise or impress you, it definitely does its job well for a people mover.


NVH
The newer car has a significant improvement in terms of NVH levels, I was quickly humbled by the silence in the new car. The cabin is well isolated from external noise. The difference is so noticeable that when I switched back to my car, everything just seemed so much louder.

Ride quality is exactly the same as I had replaced the suspension components of my XL6 to the newer model's parts. The difference is pretty evident when you drive the vehicle on rough patches.


In Car Entertainment
There’s no major difference between the two infotainment systems, the newer one just brings in a different UI, a voice assistant, wireless connectivity and some additional settings for speaker and display tuning. Maruti had a great opportunity to use the 9-inch system (used in the likes of the Baleno, Brezza, Swift, and more) at least in the Alpha+ trims.

The display seems to get a blueish anti-glare coating, and the decorative bezel around it seems to be finished in a slightly lighter shade, it's definitely not black. Only a USB port is offered for connectivity, no AUX port.


Miscellaneous Points

Puddle and Footwell Lights really improve the experience at night


The leather armrest section of the interior door trims now get some padding. The doors also feel a tad bit heavier and solid.


The car needs to be driven at least for 5 minutes for the TPMS sensors to show pressure readouts. It only shows the pressure in kPa, Maruti should've offered the option of switching to PSI and Bar readouts like other global Suzuki models


The MID screen no longer shows Trip A/Trip B with the total run of kilometres, strange?


Some Pictures





Side-by-side with an Innova


Side-by-side with my XL6


I ended up installing UV-cut glasses on my XL6 too, since they really do help insulate the cabin from heat


A few doubts
- Assuming there aren't many structural changes or updates in insulation, rubber seals, etc. in the body frame, how has Maruti achieved such low NVH levels with their new engine?
- Probably a stupid question but I have had this for many years when we got the old XL6 in 2019, what is the buzzing sound upon startup and when the doors are opened after shutting off the engine? I have observed this in newer Maruti cars that offer the Push Start/Stop system and the updated TFT MID display in the instrument cluster. The sound seems to originate from the cluster meter, I feel it could be the steering lock actuator but I could be wrong.
- I plan to retrofit the front door puddle lamps onto my XL6. I have figured that the front door trims will need to be replaced along with the wiring harnesses to accommodate the lamp. I plan to use the Zeta model's harness since my car doesn't have the cameras in the ORVMs which the facelift's Alpha and Alpha+ models get. Would it disable the auto-fold function of the mirrors when the car is locked? Also, would this be as straightforward of a fit as it sounds?