NHC - Service Costs, etc

msdivy · 1st May 2008, 11:59

There were few queries about servicing costs of NHC. Here I share my experience. I will go through my car file and list the costs as I come along.

1st Service (Free -1000km or 1 month)

Mileage: 882Km
Labour: 0
Consumables: 0
Parts: 0
Total: 0

2nd Service (Free - 5000Km or 6 months)

Mileage: 2966Km
Labour: 0
Consumables: 0
Parts: 566.61
(Engine oil: 548.5, Washer drain:18.11)
Total: 635 (including tax)

3rd Service (Free - 10000Km or 12 months)
Mileage: 6821Km
Labour: 0
Consumables: 0
Parts: 657.20
(Engine oil: 626.65, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39)
Total: 739 (including tax)

15000Km Service
Mileage: 11,828Km
Labour: 550
Consumables: 150
Parts: 764.66
(Engine oil: 548.50, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39, Summer screen washer: 199.13)
Total: 1783 (including tax)

PS: Oil filter replacement wasn't required but they did it by mistake.
Summer screen washer though impressive, was not required.

20,000Km Service

Mileage: 17,618
Labour: 1060 (hiked from 850)
Consumables: 200
Parts: 1052
(Engine oil: 626.85, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39, Element assenbly: 293.63, Clip BPR Face (2 nos): 150.53)

Total: 2599 (including tax)

Problem: Driver side seat belt not retracting. They will replace under warranty. But not in stock. They will get it in 3 days.

Eddy · 1st May 2008, 12:10

Was the oil change at 5k or 10 k optional ? Or does Honda recommend an oil change every 5k km ?

msdivy · 1st May 2008, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Eddy

Was the oil change at 5k or 10 k optional ? Or does Honda recommend an oil change every 5k km ?

Honda recommends,

Replacing engine oil every 5,000Km
Replacing engine oil filter every 10,000Km

100ml engine oil costs around Rs 625. Oil filter costs around Rs. 100.

tsk1979 · 1st May 2008, 12:19

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redfire · 1st May 2008, 12:25

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Originally Posted by msdivy

100ml engine oil costs around Rs 625. Oil filter costs around Rs. 100.

Which oils is that? Was it a typo or true? Is it 1ltr?

msdivy · 1st May 2008, 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfire

Which oils is that? Was it a typo or true? Is it 1ltr?

100ml it is. Thats what the invoice says.

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

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Oops, will take care

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Eddy · 1st May 2008, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by msdivy

100ml it is. Thats what the invoice says.

Oops, will take care

.

Can't be. It has to be 1000ml. Please check.

redfire · 1st May 2008, 13:02

Very much confused here. First of all why does Honda need an oil change every 5K if it is using an oil which costs Rs.625 for a litre (I still believe Rs.625 for 100ml is a typo, else what on earth is that?), which, most probably, would be a costly synthetic oil?

The cost of oil for your 5K service was Rs 548. But it was 626 at 10K but again came back to 548 at 15K service. Why? If you changed oil every 5K, the oil price should be same. Then again, if you changed oil every 5K KM and the oil price is Rs.625 per litre or per 100ml (again

) , does honda need only very less amount of oil? Your service bills says it consumed oil for a price of Rs.625 or less always.

Is Honda NHC is filled with Synthetic oil by A.S.S? What is the company recommended oil?

msdivy · 1st May 2008, 13:04

Other costs:

Somewhere near Gundulpet, on a narrow road, the oncoming car's mirror hit mine (sorry, we both hit each other's mirrors). Mirror came off. Electrical assembly was working fine. Only the mirror had to be replaced.
Cost: Rs 338.4
PS: I was driving windows up and the mirror just crumpled and fell off. Other car's mirror broke into pieces and flew into the car. Luckily, no one was hurt.

But RHS mirror's life was short lived. Withing a month, stuck in traffic jam, a TATA 207 wants to squeeze through - hits my mirror assembly and the whole unit came off. Driver apologised and pleaded not to inform his owner. The whole mirror assembly was replaced and they returned the broken unit.
Cost: Rs 2580 (Part: 1,744, Labour: 550)

Got Shift Lock set installed. Pictures here (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/699717-post53.html)
Cost: Rs 4,254

Thats about it.

Eddy · 1st May 2008, 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfire

The cost of oil for your 5K service was Rs 548. But it was 626 at 10K but again came back to 548 at 15K service. Why? If you changed oil every 5K, the oil price should be same. Then again, if you changed oil every 5K KM and the oil price is Rs.625 per litre or per 100ml

The amount of oil that goes in increases when you change the filter. I think that should explain the difference.

msdivy · 1st May 2008, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy

Can't be. It has to be 1000ml. Please check.

Ya, could be a typo in the invoice. But in all oil change invoices? Could be a problem with their computer. I will check with service center next time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfire

Very much confused here. First of all why does Honda need an oil change every 5K if it is using an oil which costs Rs.625 for a litre (I still believe Rs.625 for 100ml is a typo, else what on earth is that?), which, most probably, would be a costly synthetic oil?

I remember reading somehere that Honda remommends oil change every 5,000Km for dusty regions . Maybe thats so.

Quote:

Is Honda NHC is filled with Synthetic oil by A.S.S? What is the company recommended oil?

Its filled by A.S.S. Manual says genuine Honda Motor Oil.

iraghava · 1st May 2008, 16:25

Honda uses Mineral engine oil, not Synthetic.

hrman · 1st May 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by msdivy

Other costs:

Only the mirror had to be replaced.
Cost: Rs 338.4
But RHS mirror's life was short lived. Withing a month, stuck in traffic jam, a TATA 207 wants to squeeze through - hits my mirror assembly and the whole unit came off. Driver apologised and pleaded not to inform his owner. The whole mirror assembly was replaced and they returned the broken unit.
Cost: Rs 2580 (Part: 1,744, Labour: 550)

Thats about it.

I think 1744/- for an electric mirror assembly is quite reasonable compared to the other cars this size. Would be nice if other members pls share your experiences.

anandpadhye · 2nd May 2008, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by iraghava

Honda uses Mineral engine oil, not Synthetic.

Yes.

And iDSI engine needs 3.6 liters of oil if filter is changed and 3.4 liters if filter is not changed.

The cost is Rs. 143.7/liter + 12.5% VAT + 4% Octroi.

So for every service where oil filter is changed, the oil cost is:
3.6 * 143.7 * 1.165 = Rs. 602

For every service where oil filter is not changed, oil cost is:
3.4 * 143.7 * 1.165 = Rs. 569

Sources:
1. My regular service bills from Deccan Honda
2. City Gxi Owner Manual, page 229

Note: All prices are ex-Pune.

csentil · 2nd May 2008, 16:01

Your costs are all ok. For every 5K kms if you are spending only 2000 bucks as an average which includes oil change, then its pretty much ok. Labour charge for 20K is a bit high. I remember being charged 750/- for my Civic for the 10K service.

For the NHC it is recommended to change oil every 5000kms and for the Civic its 10000 kms. However I remember reading in this forum that its good practice to change once every 5000 kms.

Also Honda uses Standard mineral oil as someone rightly pointed out. Its not synthetic like Skoda. (Explains the high service cost in Skoda)

Some dealers actually charge extra for a normal washing and cleaning of the car during service. In Honda its usually inclusive.

1st May 2008, 11:59	#1
msdivy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,815 Thanked: 2,826 Times	There were few queries about servicing costs of NHC. Here I share my experience. I will go through my car file and list the costs as I come along. 1st Service (Free -1000km or 1 month) Mileage: 882Km Labour: 0 Consumables: 0 Parts: 0 *Total: 0* 2nd Service (Free - 5000Km or 6 months) Mileage: 2966Km Labour: 0 Consumables: 0 Parts: 566.61 (Engine oil: 548.5, Washer drain:18.11) *Total: 635 (including tax)* 3rd Service (Free - 10000Km or 12 months) Mileage: 6821Km Labour: 0 Consumables: 0 Parts: 657.20 (Engine oil: 626.65, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39) *Total: 739 (including tax)* 15000Km Service Mileage: 11,828Km Labour: 550 Consumables: 150 Parts: 764.66 (Engine oil: 548.50, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39, Summer screen washer: 199.13) Total: 1783 (including tax) PS: Oil filter replacement wasn't required but they did it by mistake. Summer screen washer though impressive, was not required. 20,000Km Service Mileage: 17,618 Labour: 1060 (hiked from 850) Consumables: 200 Parts: 1052 (Engine oil: 626.85, Washer drain:18.11, Oil filter cartridge: 94.39, Element assenbly: 293.63, Clip BPR Face (2 nos): 150.53) *Total: 2599 (including tax)* Problem: Driver side seat belt not retracting. They will replace under warranty. But not in stock. They will get it in 3 days. Last edited by tsk1979 : 1st May 2008 at 12:19.
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Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,387 Thanked: 13,301 Times	Was the oil change at 5k or 10 k optional ? Or does Honda recommend an oil change every 5k km ?
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Note from mod: Please do not create multiple posts, put all information in same post
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1st May 2008, 13:02	#8
redfire BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 449 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	Very much confused here. First of all why does Honda need an oil change every 5K if it is using an oil which costs Rs.625 for a litre (I still believe Rs.625 for 100ml is a typo, else what on earth is that?), which, most probably, would be a costly synthetic oil? The cost of oil for your 5K service was Rs 548. But it was 626 at 10K but again came back to 548 at 15K service. Why? If you changed oil every 5K, the oil price should be same. Then again, if you changed oil every 5K KM and the oil price is Rs.625 per litre or per 100ml (again ) , does honda need only very less amount of oil? Your service bills says it consumed oil for a price of Rs.625 or less always. Is Honda NHC is filled with Synthetic oil by A.S.S? What is the company recommended oil? Last edited by redfire : 1st May 2008 at 13:08.
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1st May 2008, 13:04	#9
msdivy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,815 Thanked: 2,826 Times	Miscellaneous Costs Other costs: Somewhere near Gundulpet, on a narrow road, the oncoming car's mirror hit mine (sorry, we both hit each other's mirrors). Mirror came off. Electrical assembly was working fine. Only the mirror had to be replaced. Cost: Rs 338.4 PS: I was driving windows up and the mirror just crumpled and fell off. Other car's mirror broke into pieces and flew into the car. Luckily, no one was hurt. But RHS mirror's life was short lived. Withing a month, stuck in traffic jam, a TATA 207 wants to squeeze through - hits my mirror assembly and the whole unit came off. Driver apologised and pleaded not to inform his owner. The whole mirror assembly was replaced and they returned the broken unit. *Cost: Rs 2580 (Part: 1,744, Labour: 550)* Got Shift Lock set installed. Pictures here (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/699717-post53.html) *Cost: Rs 4,254* Thats about it.
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1st May 2008, 16:25	#12
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	Honda uses Mineral engine oil, not Synthetic.
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2nd May 2008, 16:01	#15
csentil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,349 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	Your costs are all ok. For every 5K kms if you are spending only 2000 bucks as an average which includes oil change, then its pretty much ok. Labour charge for 20K is a bit high. I remember being charged 750/- for my Civic for the 10K service. For the NHC it is recommended to change oil every 5000kms and for the Civic its 10000 kms. However I remember reading in this forum that its good practice to change once every 5000 kms. Also Honda uses Standard mineral oil as someone rightly pointed out. Its not synthetic like Skoda. (Explains the high service cost in Skoda) Some dealers actually charge extra for a normal washing and cleaning of the car during service. In Honda its usually inclusive.
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