[raj_5004]

about the narrow powerband, i feel its definitely a problem for city dwellers. its cities, such a narrow powerband directly implies frequent gearshifts which is a chore.
yes, it can be resolved if you change your driving habits, but isnt machine meant to be made to work the way man wants... or is it vice-versa?

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by raj_5004

...yes, it can be resolved if you change your driving habits, but isnt machine meant to be made to work the way man wants... or is it vice-versa?

Well said, Raj!
A point LOST on many.
Do you see how many have criticized Su-47 for being 'unable' to 'handle' the beast?
Indeed, it is the beast that must do what I want, and not vice-versa!

[condor]

raj_5004 : ... but isnt machine meant to be made to work the way man wants... or is it vice-versa?
anupmathur : Indeed, it is the beast that must do what I want, and not vice-versa!

Let's be practical. If a vehicle was designed as per the needs of one person, then it would not meet the needs of the rest of the market. And even if you overcome all challenges and were able to design something to your liking & thinking & driving style, external factors like traffic, fuel etc will make sure that you will have new challenges to take care of.

A person may find the M800 the best vehicle. I dont. I cant even think of sitting in one without missing my truck. There's enough makes & models in the market. A person has to check out what he wants, and buy that. SU has realised that the Dicor was not what he's comfortable with, and he gave it up. On the other hand, there are enough Dicor owners who are able to tame that beast and enjoy their drives. People who have found that the 'narrow' power band is just great to give them the reqd power without having to floor the pedal.

IMO, the discussion now seems to be going towards making the above two points meet. Tata is not going to change it for him. SU & the Dicor have parted ways, and let them be. SU will find one that's just right for him (if it is not the lancer), and the 3.0 Dicor is already out.

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by condor

SU & the Dicor have parted ways, and let them be.

Condor. That is a very well presented argument!

[suman]

Originally Posted by raj_5004

yes, it can be resolved if you change your driving habits, but isnt machine meant to be made to work the way man wants... or is it vice-versa?

Originally Posted by anupmathur

Indeed, it is the beast that must do what I want, and not vice-versa!

If I test drove the vehicle & still went ahead & bought it - what then? The powerband of the Dicor is known to one & all. Was it because I was fooling myself that I'd be able to send the "narrow" powerband out of the window once I "tamed" the beast? LOL.......

Originally Posted by condor

SU has realised that the Dicor was not what he's comfortable with, and he gave it up. On the other hand, there are enough Dicor owners who are able to tame that beast and enjoy their drives. People who have found that the 'narrow' power band is just great to give them the reqd power without having to floor the pedal.

Well said Condor

[raj_5004]

i completely agree to that. also i am not against any car or its owner here. but when a person doesnt like something in his car, is it fair to criticise him by saying its just a myth??
also about the narrow powerband issue, i drove the safari 3.0 DICOR for about a year and half and frankly found it frustrating! its not that you cant tame this beast but its just that the competition is easier to drive. no offence meant to anyone pls.

[suman]

Originally Posted by raj_5004

but when a person doesnt like something in his car, is it fair to criticise him by saying its just a myth??

Hey, I have a 3.0 litre too so its just my opinion. Besides, I think you got it wrong - I was referring to aaggoswami's posts & I don't think he's used the vehicle long enough to talk about the powerband.

About being able to drive it or not drive it - well, to each his own I'd say & that's how it should be. I just think that a big deal is being made out of "taming" the narrow powerband whereas its no big deal as such.

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by suman

I was referring to aaggoswami's posts & I don't think he's used the vehicle long enough to talk about the powerband.

LOL, may I ask what is a reasonable period for which one must use a vehicle before one is 'qualified' to comment on its power-band?!

[Steeroid]

Grow up, boys and girls.

It was Su's truck, his money and his personal likes and dislikes. There's nothing to be gained by .


Let us not use someone else's misfortune to drive home our points - dont fight like vultures over a carcass.

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Grow up, boys and girls.

It was Su's truck, his money and his personal likes and dislikes. There's nothing to be gained by .


Let us not use someone else's misfortune to drive home our points - dont fight like vultures over a carcass.

very well said...

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by suman

Hey, I have a 3.0 litre too so its just my opinion. Besides, I think you got it wrong - I was referring to aaggoswami's posts & I don't think he's used the vehicle long enough to talk about the powerband.

About being able to drive it or not drive it - well, to each his own I'd say & that's how it should be. I just think that a big deal is being made out of "taming" the narrow powerband whereas its no big deal as such.

hey pal, sorry if i mis-interpreted your post, but since you had quoted my post, i thought you were referring to my comment.

[suman]

Originally Posted by Steeroid

It was Su's truck, his money and his personal likes and dislikes. There's nothing to be gained by .

I do agree, however, one last point before I get out of his thread since Anup has put forward the question so nicely

Originally Posted by anupmathur

LOL, may I ask what is a reasonable period for which one must use a vehicle before one is 'qualified' to comment on its power-band?!

Well, a few things here -

• the powerband is known to one & all even before driving it so mere "commenting" on it can be done by all & sundry
• IMHO one becomes "qualified" to comment on the driveability factor of that powerband if you have lived with the vehicle for a reasonable period of time, perhaps six months or more. SU-47 did & he decided that it was a pain. Fair enough. I think aaggoswami drove it for a short while only (I may be wrong here) which is why I mentioned what I did.

Also, when I say "myth", I'm referring to the general perception that the narrow powerband affects the driveability. I did suffer from the same misconception during the many test drives that I'd taken before I took the plunge. The misconception was corrected in the later stages of my test drives & during the initial stages of my ownership experience.

PM me if you need any further clarification & we can continue the discussions off-line

Originally Posted by raj_5004

hey pal, sorry if i mis-interpreted your post, but since you had quoted my post, i thought you were referring to my comment.

Hey, no sweat Raj cheers:

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by suman

PM me if you need any further clarification & we can continue the discussions off-line

No need, Suman. I stand enlightened. Thank you.

[PAVAN KADAM]

Hey,

I thought this thread was dead by now.

Lets not fight over this again guys.

One bad mango in a tree doesnt mean that you have to fell the tree.

Maybe the eater's tounge was bad.

C'mon guys lets get oncheers:

Note from mod: Do not use more than 2 smileys per post

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

One bad mango in a tree doesnt mean that you have to fell the tree.

Maybe the eater's tounge was bad.

Tsk...tsk...you have my sympathies, Pavan.

And I'm sure you mean 'tongue' was bad!

I see no reason to hurl such invectives at Su-47.