Safari EX 4x4 120,000 km update

anupmathur · 28th March 2009, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

From the looks of it, small shunt and you will have broken fan and/or ac radiator. Trust me the bar will bent in case of frontal collusion, i thinks its there to give more rigidity to the chassis frame.

I'd agree with that. A hollow tubular member can only offer some transverse rigidity to the frame. If more was expected from it, an I section would have been more appropriate.

SS-Traveller · 28th March 2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

You cant possibly save the radiator in case of a frontal collision in any car. The difference is that some car will have a radiator leak even if they hit a dog and some wont.

Recently saw a sideways collision on an Endeavour which resulted in a radiator change. The owner fixed a bullbar onto a similar tubular crossmember (like the pic by JSL), which caused the radiator to bend and leak when the impact occurred sideways on the bullbar. The leak certainly would not have occurred if the retrofitted bullbar's mounting point was not welded on to that portion.

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

A hollow tubular member can only offer some transverse rigidity to the frame.

tsk1979 · 29th March 2009, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Shyamtanu

bill for that itself will be around 16000 (I was under insurance), how much it costs for a Safari?

16000 is the radiator cost for safari too

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

Whoa there!
Tanveer's Safari has never kissed anyone's or anything's behind!

And what a philosophical statement to make about radiators can leak on you at any time! Man, you scare me!

It certainly is NOT the norm!

Yup its a rarity

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Originally Posted by sudev

Tanveer are you out playing OTR today?

Ja... Was there till 2pm!

Shyamtanu · 29th March 2009, 02:28

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

The difference is that some car will have a radiator leak even if they hit a dog and some wont.

Fiesta is one good real example of that... no offence to owners/lovers again.. since it has tons of good things to talk about. I feel that cars built nowadays are more 'touchy', while being significantly refined and mechanically efficient.

In case of my accident, I managed to save around 60% of the front surface area, may be that saved it.

HappyWheels · 29th March 2009, 06:27

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

... Was there till 2pm!

TSK's Safari gets a taste of OTR @ http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-of...cs-report.html

sudev · 29th March 2009, 07:02

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

16000 is the radiator cost for safari

Getting OT .....
No!!! I will have to dig in my old bill but radiator cost on GV is much lower. It was my fault to break it and the A/c one too right when my GV barely had 5k on odo.

Back on thread....
The cross member shown in pic is merely holding two front members of chasis in place and (typically) also supports anti-roll bar on the underside. It is not there to protect the radiator. Radiators go bust even if the running fan blades start touching the aluminum core due to frontal impact.

jkdas · 29th March 2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Shyamtanu

I feel that cars built nowadays are more 'touchy', while being significantly refined and mechanically efficient.

Doubt about Safari's. I had a head on with a Activa. All that broke was bumper and headlights. Dont think anything will surpass the thick iron bar at the front. I would seriously warn people who wants to try a head on with a Safari. The bumper is kind of cheap but the fancy platic grill and stuff are costly for their size IMHO.

ImmortalZ · 29th March 2009, 12:02

Yeah, enough about the truck. What was left of the poor Activa and it's passengers?

sudev · 2nd April 2009, 16:38

[quote=sudev;1235452]Getting OT .....
No!!! I will have to dig in my old bill but radiator cost on GV is much lower./quote]

Rechecked. Sorry for my bad. The GV radiator (Japo OE) was 16k also. The A/c radiator unit was 11K.

kuttapan · 4th April 2009, 05:32

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Originally Posted by Shyamtanu

Fiesta is one good real example of that... no offence to owners/lovers again.. since it has tons of good things to talk about. I feel that cars built nowadays are more 'touchy', while being significantly refined and mechanically efficient.

In case of my accident, I managed to save around 60% of the front surface area, may be that saved it.

The cars built today are supposed to be pedestrian friendly. So it is only natural that the car itself takes most of the impact when hit. So if you are crossing the road, and a car is going to hit you, wouldn't you rather have a Fiesta than an Ambassador?

tsk1979 · 5th April 2009, 01:22

Went for another OTR today. This time I did not do the full trail. Just parked and went in a jeep.
Did some sandy stuff in a sand filled field, and the RHS fender cladding fell off.
No impact nothing, just vibrations.
The reason?
Instead of the 6-7 plastic locks only 2 were there, rest were missing(I think they fell off in HP)
Checked the LHS fender cladding by hitting fist at various points and atleast 2 locks are missing, so that may also fall off any time.
Luckily it fell of on the sandy field and not while coming, so I could find it, and there are no scratches etc., on the cladding too.

tsk1979 · 5th April 2009, 18:55

Here is a short video if idle surging.
Ealier it used to happen only on starting on very cold mornings, now it happens on all startups.
Infact a couple of times I noticed this happening when I was waiting at a traffic light with engine completely warm.

YouTube - Safari EX 4x4 cold start surging

rrsteer · 5th April 2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Here is a short video if idle surging.
Ealier it used to happen only on starting on very cold mornings, now it happens on all startups.
Infact a couple of times I noticed this happening when I was waiting at a traffic light with engine completely warm.

Tsk, is that a problem related to the drive by wire system?

4x4addict · 5th April 2009, 19:27

The volume was very faint but listening to your engine the sound/engine rhythm did not seem to change with the change in the RPM meter. You probably know better since you can hear/feel the engine better. A possibility is a faulty RPM sensor or meter.

dadu · 5th April 2009, 19:44

There is definitely a surge but there can be many reasons for it, fuel quality, carbon and/or something mechanical.

If you want to take my honest advise, put System D for atleast 2 tankful to rule out the fuel/ carbon, pls try it.

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ImmortalZ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,179 Thanked: 488 Times View My Garage	Yeah, enough about the truck. What was left of the poor Activa and it's passengers?
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sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,838 Thanked: 3,179 Times	[quote=sudev;1235452]Getting OT ..... No!!! I will have to dig in my old bill but radiator cost on GV is much lower./quote] Rechecked. Sorry for my bad. The GV radiator (Japo OE) was 16k also. The A/c radiator unit was 11K.
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5th April 2009, 01:22	#971
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	Went for another OTR today. This time I did not do the full trail. Just parked and went in a jeep. Did some sandy stuff in a sand filled field, and the RHS fender cladding fell off. No impact nothing, just vibrations. The reason? Instead of the 6-7 plastic locks only 2 were there, rest were missing(I think they fell off in HP) Checked the LHS fender cladding by hitting fist at various points and atleast 2 locks are missing, so that may also fall off any time. Luckily it fell of on the sandy field and not while coming, so I could find it, and there are no scratches etc., on the cladding too.
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5th April 2009, 19:27	#974
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,529 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	The volume was very faint but listening to your engine the sound/engine rhythm did not seem to change with the change in the RPM meter. You probably know better since you can hear/feel the engine better. A possibility is a faulty RPM sensor or meter.
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5th April 2009, 19:44	#975
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 462 Times View My Garage	There is definitely a surge but there can be many reasons for it, fuel quality, carbon and/or something mechanical. If you want to take my honest advise, put System D for atleast 2 tankful to rule out the fuel/ carbon, pls try it. Last edited by dadu : 5th April 2009 at 19:46.
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