Palio 1.6 GTX - Italian Ressurection

Dippy · 18th November 2009, 12:19

I like the colour of the car drifty. I'm sure she will be back to being as good as new in your hands. Are you considering getting new headlights for the car because they look old.

Congrats and drive safe. Keep us updated.

drifter · 18th November 2009, 12:35

Yes headlights, belts and detailing is going to be done soon as well as other minor things which need to be looked into.

Drifter

vcash · 18th November 2009, 13:44

I can recommend a good detailer at Thane - I know it's a hike, but they are pretty good (Save for breaking your rear windshield and then replacing it FOC

) and charge 1600 bucks for a thorough job. They have a pick up and drop of service as well - Let me know if you want their details.

karizma_devil · 18th November 2009, 14:15

Hey drifter if you find your New-Bombay guy descent please drop me a PM . I need help for injector cleaning and and few mundane issues.

Guys Vcash - Drifter - lets meet up .. what say ??
Drifter i work at nariman point, do you stay near by , if you dont mind i would like to check out your car personally.
You know i have a strange kind of brotherhood for felow GTX owners , call it GTX Pack .. ( GTX are just like werewolves.. aggressive and unpredictable !!!) Pack of werewolves - "Come on in and howlwith me as the full moon rises and let your RPM's soar to the exhaust warm embrace " ( I know i have been reading too much of the twilight-new moon - eclipse - breaking dawb series

)

Cheers

MileCruncher · 18th November 2009, 14:18

Congrats drifter on the 1.6. I'm sure that you will get her back to scratch and enjoy her for many miles.

longhorn · 18th November 2009, 14:36

Congrats on your buy. There's nothing like a Palio as far as ride and handling is concerned in this segment. Solid built like a tank feel. It's just the Fiat A.S.S. that's a big letdown.

drifter · 18th November 2009, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by karizma_devil

Hey drifter if you find your New-Bombay guy descent please drop me a PM . I need help for injector cleaning and and few mundane issues.

Guys Vcash - Drifter - lets meet up .. what say ??
Drifter i work at nariman point, do you stay near by , if you dont mind i would like to check out your car personally.
You know i have a strange kind of brotherhood for felow GTX owners , call it GTX Pack .. ( GTX are just like werewolves.. aggressive and unpredictable !!!) Pack of werewolves - "Come on in and howlwith me as the full moon rises and let your RPM's soar to the exhaust warm embrace " ( I know i have been reading too much of the twilight-new moon - eclipse - breaking dawb series

)

Cheers

Yeah sure, I'll probably be going there over the weekend. My office colleague vouches for this guy as he has had two Palios before. I work at Parel, but stay 5 mins away from Nariman Point. If you are coming to the ACI performance show, we can meet up there. I'll take the Palio then instead of the Safari.

@vcash: I'll take up that offer once I get the mechanicals sorted.

@longhorn & Milecruncher: Thanks for the wishes.

Drifter

drifter · 4th April 2010, 20:55

Alright I'm back after a sabattical of sorts. During this while, I dropped the plans of selling the City. So it shares the stable with the GTX and the 3.0-litre bus.

So took the GTX to the Tata-Fiat workshop at worli and had a whole bunch of work done. The details are as follows, please note the rates have been discounted 10% after my car was damaged at the workshop and repaired free of cost.

1. Wheel Cylinder - 2 - Rs 745
2. Brake Shoes - 2 - Rs 1,507
3. Timing Belt - 1 - Rs 1,132
4. Fixed Tightener - 1 - Rs 1,883
5. Belt Stretcher - 1 - Rs 1,576
6. Fixed Tightener - 1 - Rs 750
7. Alternator Belt - 1 - Rs 208
8. Oil Filter - 1 - Rs 89
9. Fuel Filter - 1 - Rs 104
10. Coolant Tank - 1 - Rs 329
11. Brake Fluid - 1 - Rs 296
12. P.Steering Oil - 1 - Rs 103
13. Coolant - 3 - Rs 324
14. Engine Oil - 4 - Rs 752
15. Spark Plugs - 4 - Rs 332
16. Headlamp Assy. - 2 - Rs 4552
17. Combi Switch - 1 - Rs 2944
18. WD40 -.4 - Rs 160
19. Coolant Flush - 1 - Rs 495
20. Trans Belt - 1 - Rs 308
21. Flex Hose - 1 - Rs 2351
22. Flex Hose - 1- Rs 188

+ Labour Rs 2829

Total Amount Rs 26,898.

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Now a bit of a problem. Ever since the car came back, it lacked the pickup that it had earlier, it felt only noisy and there was no real progress. The car was immediately sent back to the shop. The advisor cried blocked injectors, although there was no injector light on the dashboard. I had a feeling that they messed up the timing when they changed the timing belt.

But I let them clear the injectors. The car came back with the pickup restored. But the one irritant remains, the idle is not smooth, I can feel a bump in the motor at idle. Once you give her the stick, the engine becomes silky smooth, but that lumpy idle remains.

So all you GTX owners, please come forward with some solutions. I'm lead to believe this is a common problem and changing the ignition coil should help. But I want to get definate answers before I spend some more money.

Oh yes, it is a 2002 1.6 GTX done roughly 1.25 lakh kms.

Drifter

drifter · 5th April 2010, 11:34

*bump*

Calling all GTX/S10 owners or anyone for that matter, need some help with a roungh idle and stalling at times on a GTX.

Drifter

ravikn · 6th April 2010, 10:41

it must be the incorrect timing set up on your machine. IMO, If the ignition coil is gone, idling will be rough only during cold starts.

praful · 6th April 2010, 10:53

Finally got to see your 100 horsed beauty! Congrats buddy!

JVH · 6th April 2010, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by drifter

*bump*

Calling all GTX/S10 owners or anyone for that matter, need some help with a roungh idle and stalling at times on a GTX.

Drifter

Does the RPM fluctuate rapidly and then the engine stalls?

Check out the lambda sensor and the idle control valve. You can first try out cleaning them with air compression.

drifter · 6th April 2010, 11:46

I also have a feeling about timing since that was the last major work carried out. There are no fluctuations with the RPM. The engine just stalls when left at idle. This happens only when cold, once when warmed up, the stalling problem goes away but the rough idle remains.

Are the lambda sensor and idle control valve a DIY?

@Praful: Thanks

Drifter

JVH · 6th April 2010, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by drifter

Are the lambda sensor and idle control valve a DIY?

Nope

. You need to work with your mechanic. The cleaning part can be done but the dis-assembly and the installation part after cleaning has to be done by someone with an experienced hand.

karizma_devil · 6th April 2010, 11:55

My s10 had irratic/bouncing RPM, then stalling in bumper to bumper traffic issue , which was solved by changing the fuel pump relay.

If you say your RPM needle is stable at idle, then what is exactly rough at idle ? The car vibrates ?? Do you get the injector light flashing when you stall ?? It could be a ignition coil problem. Since you say that engine stall when its cold.

Although you cant rule out bad timing since that was the last major work carried out.

18th November 2009, 12:19	#31
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,561 Thanked: 2,467 Times	I like the colour of the car drifty. I'm sure she will be back to being as good as new in your hands. Are you considering getting new headlights for the car because they look old. Congrats and drive safe. Keep us updated.
	() Thanks

18th November 2009, 12:35	#32
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	Yes headlights, belts and detailing is going to be done soon as well as other minor things which need to be looked into. Drifter
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18th November 2009, 13:44	#33
vcash BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 453 Thanked: 22 Times	I can recommend a good detailer at Thane - I know it's a hike, but they are pretty good (Save for breaking your rear windshield and then replacing it FOC ) and charge 1600 bucks for a thorough job. They have a pick up and drop of service as well - Let me know if you want their details.
	() Thanks

18th November 2009, 14:15	#34
karizma_devil BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 421 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Hey drifter if you find your New-Bombay guy descent please drop me a PM . I need help for injector cleaning and and few mundane issues. Guys Vcash - Drifter - lets meet up .. what say ?? Drifter i work at nariman point, do you stay near by , if you dont mind i would like to check out your car personally. You know i have a strange kind of brotherhood for felow GTX owners , call it GTX Pack .. ( GTX are just like werewolves.. aggressive and unpredictable !!!) Pack of werewolves - "Come on in and howlwith me as the full moon rises and let your RPM's soar to the exhaust warm embrace " ( I know i have been reading too much of the twilight-new moon - eclipse - breaking dawb series ) Cheers
	() Thanks

18th November 2009, 14:18	#35
MileCruncher Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MH01 Posts: 4,235 Thanked: 592 Times View My Garage	Congrats drifter on the 1.6. I'm sure that you will get her back to scratch and enjoy her for many miles.
	() Thanks

18th November 2009, 14:36	#36
longhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,525 Thanked: 1,566 Times View My Garage	Congrats on your buy. There's nothing like a Palio as far as ride and handling is concerned in this segment. Solid built like a tank feel. It's just the Fiat A.S.S. that's a big letdown.
	() Thanks

4th April 2010, 20:55	#38
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	Alright I'm back after a sabattical of sorts. During this while, I dropped the plans of selling the City. So it shares the stable with the GTX and the 3.0-litre bus. So took the GTX to the Tata-Fiat workshop at worli and had a whole bunch of work done. The details are as follows, please note the rates have been discounted 10% after my car was damaged at the workshop and repaired free of cost. 1. Wheel Cylinder - 2 - Rs 745 2. Brake Shoes - 2 - Rs 1,507 3. Timing Belt - 1 - Rs 1,132 4. Fixed Tightener - 1 - Rs 1,883 5. Belt Stretcher - 1 - Rs 1,576 6. Fixed Tightener - 1 - Rs 750 7. Alternator Belt - 1 - Rs 208 8. Oil Filter - 1 - Rs 89 9. Fuel Filter - 1 - Rs 104 10. Coolant Tank - 1 - Rs 329 11. Brake Fluid - 1 - Rs 296 12. P.Steering Oil - 1 - Rs 103 13. Coolant - 3 - Rs 324 14. Engine Oil - 4 - Rs 752 15. Spark Plugs - 4 - Rs 332 16. Headlamp Assy. - 2 - Rs 4552 17. Combi Switch - 1 - Rs 2944 18. WD40 -.4 - Rs 160 19. Coolant Flush - 1 - Rs 495 20. Trans Belt - 1 - Rs 308 21. Flex Hose - 1 - Rs 2351 22. Flex Hose - 1- Rs 188 + Labour Rs 2829 Total Amount Rs 26,898. ******************************************* Now a bit of a problem. Ever since the car came back, it lacked the pickup that it had earlier, it felt only noisy and there was no real progress. The car was immediately sent back to the shop. The advisor cried blocked injectors, although there was no injector light on the dashboard. I had a feeling that they messed up the timing when they changed the timing belt. But I let them clear the injectors. The car came back with the pickup restored. But the one irritant remains, the idle is not smooth, I can feel a bump in the motor at idle. Once you give her the stick, the engine becomes silky smooth, but that lumpy idle remains. So all you GTX owners, please come forward with some solutions. I'm lead to believe this is a common problem and changing the ignition coil should help. But I want to get definate answers before I spend some more money. Oh yes, it is a 2002 1.6 GTX done roughly 1.25 lakh kms. Drifter
	() Thanks

5th April 2010, 11:34	#39
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	bump Calling all GTX/S10 owners or anyone for that matter, need some help with a roungh idle and stalling at times on a GTX. Drifter
	() Thanks

6th April 2010, 10:41	#40
ravikn BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 344 Thanked: 25 Times	it must be the incorrect timing set up on your machine. IMO, If the ignition coil is gone, idling will be rough only during cold starts.
	() Thanks

6th April 2010, 10:53	#41
praful Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 1,020 Thanked: 611 Times View My Garage	Finally got to see your 100 horsed beauty! Congrats buddy!
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6th April 2010, 11:46	#43
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	I also have a feeling about timing since that was the last major work carried out. There are no fluctuations with the RPM. The engine just stalls when left at idle. This happens only when cold, once when warmed up, the stalling problem goes away but the rough idle remains. Are the lambda sensor and idle control valve a DIY? @Praful: Thanks Drifter
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6th April 2010, 11:55	#45
karizma_devil BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 421 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	My s10 had irratic/bouncing RPM, then stalling in bumper to bumper traffic issue , which was solved by changing the fuel pump relay. If you say your RPM needle is stable at idle, then what is exactly rough at idle ? The car vibrates ?? Do you get the injector light flashing when you stall ?? It could be a ignition coil problem. Since you say that engine stall when its cold. Although you cant rule out bad timing since that was the last major work carried out.
	() Thanks