[turbo_lover]

Originally Posted by lamborghini

which mag has the truest figures ???

I'd say BSmotoring ... they have nice reviews and realistic times ..

[GTO]

I have to agree with Gordon. With a 5 speed auto (better spaced out ratios) and with 50% more power, I would expect the Accord V6 to be much quicker than the 4 cylinder 4 gear ratio Camry in any test - whether Autocar or OD. I am surprised...honestly.

GTO

[Gordon]

I'm not saying that I don't like the Honda Accord. Among the two, I'd OF COURSE take the Honda Accord V6. But the question lies in, why is the performance not MUCH MUCH better compared to the competition?! With around 80bhp more, almost the same weight, 44bhp/ton more power-to-weight ratio, I guess its a loser compared to what it could actually have done.

[Gordon]

took pictures of the Camry and Accord V6's technical details of this month's issue.
will take pictures of performance details later....

[Deeps]

Accord V6 without any second thoughts. And as said before, the Vectra should be kept out of the poll.

[Shan2nu]

0-100 was never the strenght of the Accord V6. All that power will make a difference after that point. 150kmph comes in 19 secs, 160 in 22, 170 in 26. These are figures which even the S 350 can't match.

The 142 bhp A/T Accord does 100 in 12.37 secs. Compared to that 9.4 is pretty good. It's gained 3 secs to 100, by the time they hit 150 that would have increased to a great figure.

The Camry is 11 secs slower than the Accord V6 to 170kmph. That is what that V6 engine was built for.

It's always harder to improve on your 0-100 time. The SL500 takes 7 secs to hit 100 and a Vtec takes 8.9. That should make the SL a worthless bucket of bolts, but it's not, bcos that car can hit 150 in 13 secs where as a Vtec would take around 24-25 secs, that's the amount of time the SL500 takes to hit 200. Lol

So you see, performance isn't all about 0-100s, there are many other factors that define performance.

Diff between a NSX and an Enzo to 100kmph is less than 1 sec. But the Enzo has to produce 650bhp compared to the NSX's 290.

Shan2nu

[lamborghini]

hey shan2nu ...
i agree ....
hell if cars were all about 0-100s then why would anybody buy an m class when the palio is faster ...
the e270 is fsater to 150 but then that is where the s350 will take over ...

[Shan2nu]

hey shan2nu ...
i agree ....
hell if cars were all about 0-100s then why would anybody buy an m class when the palio is faster ...
the e270 is fsater to 150 but then that is where the s350 will take over ...

Exactly, the Renault F1 is probably the fastest to 150-200 kmph than any other F1 car today, but that isn't enuf, is it?

Shan2nu

[Gordon]

0-100 was never the strenght of the Accord V6. All that power will make a difference after that point. 150kmph comes in 19 secs, 160 in 22, 170 in 26. These are figures which even the S 350 can't match.

Shan2nu,

I've never said performance only depends on 0-100, I meant what happened to the performance in those areas. I myself have said that the top speed is awesome!

The 142 bhp A/T Accord does 100 in 12.37 secs. Compared to that 9.4 is pretty good. It's gained 3 secs to 100, by the time they hit 150 that would have increased to a great figure.

this is but obvious, with 80bhp more, that is expected. But if you notice the timings given, the current Camry is still quicker than the 142bhp A/T Accord. They both have exactly the same power.

It's always harder to improve on your 0-100 time. The SL500 takes 7 secs to hit 100 and a Vtec takes 8.9. That should make the SL a worthless bucket of bolts, but it's not, bcos that car can hit 150 in 13 secs where as a Vtec would take around 24-25 secs, that's the amount of time the SL500 takes to hit 200. Lol

What you've said is true, I've seen RX100's and RD350's coming close to R6 and some other bikes timings. But the comparison is wrong, they are in two completely diff segments. The Accord V6 and the Camry are in the same segment.

[Shan2nu]

this is but obvious, with 80bhp more, that is expected. But if you notice the timings given, the current Camry is still quicker than the 142bhp A/T Accord. They both have exactly the same power.

As i've said, i couldn't care less for ACI's acceleration times.

I always stick to OD's times. Any idea what time OD got for the A/T Camry? If they got 10 something then that would make the Camry a great car (till 100kmph hehe).

Shan2nu

[Shan2nu]

Ok, then try making sense of this.

ACI says the Skoda RS with 150bhp does 100 in 9.02 secs and that the Corolla with 125 bhp does the same in 9.07 secs. Tell me, who in their right minds would believe that.

I don't know who tests these cars but all i can say, is that their figures are very misleading. I'd pity anyone who would buy a Corolla thinking it could keep up with the RS. Somebody, somewhere, is gonna be very disappointed with ACI.

Shan2nu

[sridhar24]

Its accord for me for its performance, but for comfort and luxury its camry.

[X-Machine]

Hey,
Has to be the Accord,hands down.Its an awesome car in all due respects.
The other 2 come no where close in comparison.

X

[lamborghini]

hey shan2nu i agree with u there ..
i would never buy an corolla for performance ...
heck i wanted to get an octy but it lacked space and theres where it looses out ...
besides
i hate to say this but u do have a point when it comes to the testing ...
autocar tests arent in a proper place like ODsbut OD is just more biased towards other cars ....
like their test of the fiat was def. not right ...

[Gordon]

The other 2 come no where close in comparison.

Can't say that, the Camry is very much in comparison with the V6. Its better than the Accord if you prefer being chauffeur driven. In performance, the Accord V6 beats the Camry above 150kmph [as Shan2nu said]. But below that, for city driving, ride and comfort, their both very very close together. About reliability, no doubt Japanese cars are reliable.

I always stick to OD's times. Any idea what time OD got for the A/T Camry? If they got 10 something then that would make the Camry a great car (till 100kmph hehe).

I myself never knew which timings or test results are perfect. In fact, till today I don't know which one to trust, but I'm more partial towards Autocar India. As you said, we will have to wait for Overdrive's Camry A/T test. But I also have the feeling that Overdrive results and tests are fixed. They are partial towards Mercedes and TATA. Not sure though.

a Vtec takes 8.9

does it???! I don't know about this but Overdrive themselves have specified that Skoda Octavia RS is the first and only car to reach 100kmph inside 9 seconds.