Automatic Diesel car for under 14 Lacs?

canonball · 21st April 2009, 18:15

Hi Guys

We want an automatic diesel car within a budget of Rs 14 lacs. Can be new or used (not too old). Please suggest. thx

RishiSuri · 21st April 2009, 18:41

Verna-CRDI
Not sure How much Sonata-Automatic costs.

Astleviz · 21st April 2009, 18:41

New cars:
1. Hyundai Verna
2. Skoda Octavia (they had an auto diesel a while ago, not sure if it's still in production)
3. Scorpio AT

Used cars
1. Sonata Embera
2. Skoda Laura
3. Skoda Superb

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canonball · 21st April 2009, 18:45

Taking a TD of the auto verna tom. I have the same tally though Octavia auto is discontinued :(

What prices have you guys seen on Laura's, I spoke to someone who just sold his 08 DSG/Auto with 3500 Km for Rs. 13.5 lacs.

what about C220 CDI's? How are they?

Sonata/Superb slightly big for oru needs. I suppose a 6 month old Jetta could be great as well?

Astleviz · 21st April 2009, 21:25

Yes, if you can get a jetta within your budget, it would be a good choice but do remember, it's going to cost you a lot more to maintain over the next 3-5 years as compared to a Hyundai.

manson · 21st April 2009, 21:55

Only a car, or would an SUV fit the bill as well?
Look at the the auto tranny Scorpio, you get a whole lot of bells and whistles alongwith a superb engine, and SUV suspension that simply glides over the bumps, and you yet have spare change for a couple of Nanos for the city run!

manson.

raj_5004 · 21st April 2009, 23:07

i always wish the magnum TCDi had a automatic.
anyways, you choices under 14 lakhs are hyundai verna & mahindra scorpio. both are great cars, they belong to different classes/segments. verna has a 4 speed auto i guess & scorpio has a 6 speed one. talking of the auto tranny, i have read that verna has a very lazy gearbox & scorpio though pretty quick, is confused between speeds of 30-40 kmph! about the scorpio, pm our friend mohnish, he has just bought a scorpio AT.
i wont advise you a second hand car for that budget.

best of luck.

RishiSuri · 22nd April 2009, 10:15

issues which I have faced with second hand AT is.. The transmission system can fail if the user has not changed the AT fluid regularly, and the worst part is you cannot find out the wear and tear of the Transmission unless you get it properly Scanned through a computer in order to check the wear and tear.
Go for a brand new.. Cos even if transmission fails it will be replaced in Warranty but in Second hand car you might not get the option as the car would be 2-3 years old and warranty is gone.

FlyingSpur · 22nd April 2009, 10:24

To make things clearer for you, I suggest the following :-

NEW :
Verna CRDi => Godalmightly power, albeit dented a bit by the A/T. Still, if you want a sedan, and a diesel automatic at that, this is surely your bet bet right now. You really don't want to go with the Skoda right now. The existence of the Octavia today is a joke, it's gone long in the tooth is an understatement.

Scorpio A/T => If it fits your needs / usage. At your budget point you can comfortably afford the fully loaded VLX A/T. Take a TD to see if the "confused transmission" that some members like iraghava talk about, affects your peace of mind or not.

USED : Sonata Embera A/T. Very rare to find but my God will you consider yourself blessed. Peanuts to maintain, acres of legroom and unquestionable comfort.

I have NOT included Laura DSG or Jetta DSG or for that matter C220 CDI A/T. The simple reason is, after you buy these used your financial liability (and there's no better word for it) towards maintenance and accidental damage of these cars would be so high, you're better off just stretching your budget and buying a Sonata Transform CRDi today. Trust me it will surely work out cheaper.

tsk1979 · 22nd April 2009, 10:26

Check out a new Sonanta Transform. Its beyond your budget, but I remember seeing a very low EMI scheme for the same, with interest rate of 5.99% or something.
If you are on an EMI, this may be within your budget!

canonball · 22nd April 2009, 11:55

Ok guys things are getting clearer specially with your inputs thx.

Already have an Innova for outstation this car will replace our Mumbai city car the swift (run 16k in 3 years, driven by male/female family members). Test drove the Scorpio A/T a month ago she is really good on engine performance goes, and ride for city is great boardering excellent now the issue is not so much driving her on Mumbai roads (infact better than small cars!!) its parking her in any spot. She will be a pain to slot into spots and we have no driver (we care to much for our car's bodyline in the house!!) so not sure of Scorpio on that count. Verna seems to be the best but just feels not worth the price!!

Taking a verna TD today so lets see if she impresses on performance.

Sonata is tempting but size is an issue!

I called up VW and they claim that the Golf will come before the Polo!! and will be available here in 8 to 10 months in automatic

This car being the 2 nd car would not run more than 6 to 7000 km per year. Do you guys reckon a 6 to 8 month old Laura/Jetta done say max 12k would be really dicy? Seeing a car this weekend. No one here has anything good to say about C class?

FlyingSpur · 22nd April 2009, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by canonball

This car being the 2 nd car would not run more than 6 to 7000 km per year. Do you guys reckon a 6 to 8 month old Laura/Jetta done say max 12k would be really dicy? Seeing a car this weekend. No one here has anything good to say about C class?

Let me clarify.

Anything from VW / Skoda which is pre-owned has a few things you should consider. Firstly, if you're stuck with a lemon, you're finished. Prepare to spend heaps of dough just fixing things, or even if you sell the car, as a second owner you won't get much for it. Also, I suppose if someone's selling such a car within 8 months then something might be wrong with it.

Now IF the car you buy is NOT a lemon, there's always the problem of Skoda's exemplary service standards. VW apparently is a bit better. But either ways, the costs will be disturbing. That's why I called it a liability in my earlier post. Reliability too, is a big question mark. I know there are a handful of Laura owners on this forum who have never had trouble, but it's not like we're talking 1% problematic cars reported or something. It's a substantial statistic.

As far as a C220 CDI A/T is concerned, the maintenance costs are really high, and it goes without saying that if you're going to buy a Mercedes which is out of it's warranty coverage period, you better know what you're getting yourself into. Here's a link to GTO's C220 CDI ownership thread. See the recent costs that he has incurred when out of the warranty cover. Get in touch with him for more accurate info. Your E-Class should also give you a fair idea of what it's like to live with one. If you're prepared for it then maybe it's worth considering.

So basically, if you pick a pre-owned Laura / Jetta / C220, you'll be spending so much money on it in such short time, that IMO it will definitely be more economical to spend a little extra and go for the Sonata Transform in the long run / short run both.

EDIT: One more thing. 6-7,000kms a year? That's 15-20km a day. Too little to justify insisting on a Diesel. I think you're better off with a Petrol A/T. Now look at how many options THAT just opened up! ANHC A/T intermediate or Civic A/T for a full-sized sedan etc etc. Or even better, a pre-owned 2006-2007 Honda Accord 2.4 A/T is a safer choice than German pre-owned cars. Think hard about whether you still need a diesel.

Astleviz · 22nd April 2009, 15:33

6000 Km every year? Why are you restricting yourself to a diesel than? Consider a used CRV/ Accord or a new ANHC/Civic, too.

loving_alaap · 22nd April 2009, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astleviz

6000 Km every year? Why are you restricting yourself to a diesel than? Consider a used CRV/ Accord or a new ANHC/Civic, too.

same question why diesel?

Better buy Altis AT (the best & most practical AT under 14 lacs)

IN diesel, i too agree to go for new Sonata transform. It exceeds your budget, but available in very low EMIs with lots of freebies. Also probably the cheapest diesel to maintain.

Can think of used Superb also (beware of ***)

21st April 2009, 18:15	#1
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Automatic Diesel car for under 14 Lacs? Hi Guys We want an automatic diesel car within a budget of Rs 14 lacs. Can be new or used (not too old). Please suggest. thx
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21st April 2009, 18:41	#2
RishiSuri BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 264 Thanked: 84 Times View My Garage	Verna-CRDI Not sure How much Sonata-Automatic costs.
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21st April 2009, 18:41	#3
Astleviz BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Panjim, Goa Posts: 370 Thanked: 174 Times	New cars: 1. Hyundai Verna 2. Skoda Octavia (they had an auto diesel a while ago, not sure if it's still in production) 3. Scorpio AT Used cars 1. Sonata Embera 2. Skoda Laura 3. Skoda Superb
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21st April 2009, 18:45	#5
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Taking a TD of the auto verna tom. I have the same tally though Octavia auto is discontinued :( What prices have you guys seen on Laura's, I spoke to someone who just sold his 08 DSG/Auto with 3500 Km for Rs. 13.5 lacs. what about C220 CDI's? How are they? Sonata/Superb slightly big for oru needs. I suppose a 6 month old Jetta could be great as well? Last edited by canonball : 21st April 2009 at 18:47.
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21st April 2009, 21:25	#6
Astleviz BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Panjim, Goa Posts: 370 Thanked: 174 Times	Yes, if you can get a jetta within your budget, it would be a good choice but do remember, it's going to cost you a lot more to maintain over the next 3-5 years as compared to a Hyundai.
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21st April 2009, 21:55	#7
manson Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 4,169 Times View My Garage	Only a car, or would an SUV fit the bill as well? Look at the the auto tranny Scorpio, you get a whole lot of bells and whistles alongwith a superb engine, and SUV suspension that simply glides over the bumps, and you yet have spare change for a couple of Nanos for the city run! manson.
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21st April 2009, 23:07	#8
raj_5004 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dubai/Mumbai Posts: 5,238 Thanked: 3,139 Times	i always wish the magnum TCDi had a automatic. anyways, you choices under 14 lakhs are hyundai verna & mahindra scorpio. both are great cars, they belong to different classes/segments. verna has a 4 speed auto i guess & scorpio has a 6 speed one. talking of the auto tranny, i have read that verna has a very lazy gearbox & scorpio though pretty quick, is confused between speeds of 30-40 kmph! about the scorpio, pm our friend mohnish, he has just bought a scorpio AT. i wont advise you a second hand car for that budget. best of luck.
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22nd April 2009, 10:15	#9
RishiSuri BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 264 Thanked: 84 Times View My Garage	issues which I have faced with second hand AT is.. The transmission system can fail if the user has not changed the AT fluid regularly, and the worst part is you cannot find out the wear and tear of the Transmission unless you get it properly Scanned through a computer in order to check the wear and tear. Go for a brand new.. Cos even if transmission fails it will be replaced in Warranty but in Second hand car you might not get the option as the car would be 2-3 years old and warranty is gone.
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22nd April 2009, 10:24	#10
FlyingSpur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 1,422 Times View My Garage	To make things clearer for you, I suggest the following :- NEW : Verna CRDi => Godalmightly power, albeit dented a bit by the A/T. Still, if you want a sedan, and a diesel automatic at that, this is surely your bet bet right now. You really don't want to go with the Skoda right now. The existence of the Octavia today is a joke, it's gone long in the tooth is an understatement. Scorpio A/T => If it fits your needs / usage. At your budget point you can comfortably afford the fully loaded VLX A/T. Take a TD to see if the "confused transmission" that some members like iraghava talk about, affects your peace of mind or not. USED : Sonata Embera A/T. Very rare to find but my God will you consider yourself blessed. Peanuts to maintain, acres of legroom and unquestionable comfort. I have NOT included Laura DSG or Jetta DSG or for that matter C220 CDI A/T. The simple reason is, after you buy these used your financial liability (and there's no better word for it) towards maintenance and accidental damage of these cars would be so high, you're better off just stretching your budget and buying a Sonata Transform CRDi today. Trust me it will surely work out cheaper. Last edited by FlyingSpur : 22nd April 2009 at 10:29.
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22nd April 2009, 10:26	#11
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Check out a new Sonanta Transform. Its beyond your budget, but I remember seeing a very low EMI scheme for the same, with interest rate of 5.99% or something. If you are on an EMI, this may be within your budget!
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22nd April 2009, 11:55	#12
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Ok guys things are getting clearer specially with your inputs thx. Already have an Innova for outstation this car will replace our Mumbai city car the swift (run 16k in 3 years, driven by male/female family members). Test drove the Scorpio A/T a month ago she is really good on engine performance goes, and ride for city is great boardering excellent now the issue is not so much driving her on Mumbai roads (infact better than small cars!!) its parking her in any spot. She will be a pain to slot into spots and we have no driver (we care to much for our car's bodyline in the house!!) so not sure of Scorpio on that count. Verna seems to be the best but just feels not worth the price!! Taking a verna TD today so lets see if she impresses on performance. Sonata is tempting but size is an issue! I called up VW and they claim that the Golf will come before the Polo!! and will be available here in 8 to 10 months in automatic This car being the 2 nd car would not run more than 6 to 7000 km per year. Do you guys reckon a 6 to 8 month old Laura/Jetta done say max 12k would be really dicy? Seeing a car this weekend. No one here has anything good to say about C class? Last edited by canonball : 22nd April 2009 at 12:08.
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22nd April 2009, 15:33	#14
Astleviz BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Panjim, Goa Posts: 370 Thanked: 174 Times	6000 Km every year? Why are you restricting yourself to a diesel than? Consider a used CRV/ Accord or a new ANHC/Civic, too.
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