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Originally Posted by sandeepmohan If that 30% gain is to be believed, then it should be better than a T Jet which it isn't in your opinion. 30% over stock should be a shade more powerful than a T Jet on paper. A T Jet is on another planet in my opinion. The nature of a petrol engine (forget turbo charged) itself allows the rpm's to rise much faster than a diesel and this gets you in to the power band faster. Engine response is crucial as well. Diesels have always suffered in this department. |
I guess they (RD) refer to improvement in peak power and off-peak power when they give approximate values with the box. The T-Jet being a turbo petrol has a larger pleasure zone and better revving capability. That said, I still feel the pulling power in P2 feels very close to a turbo petrol, and power does not taper off as easily as in normal (non-boxed) diesels as you accelerate through the rev range.
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Having driven a stock Punto 90, I was very disappointed with the engine. The gearbox is horrible for what the car is supposed to be. It was so bad that I felt a 75bhp Swift to be far more fun and all this is just because Suzuki tuned the engine so much better. Its also a known fact that the Swift is a lighter car, has a much superior gearbox and short travel clutch which adds to the fun factor.
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Definitely agree on the shorter gearing, which they should have fixed when they were bringing out multiple iterations of the Emotion 90HP, Sport and now again rechristened to 90HP.
The Swift feels faster only due to the better gearing, but the VGT with well-tuned gear ratios will beat it hollow with lesser turbo lag, better mid range and high end grunt. In fact, the amazing-to-drive Swift that you refer to could be the pre-facelift version (pre-2011). The current gen Swift has lost much of that famed turbo kick and is now much more linear in acceleration across the rev range. Even the weight advantage of the current Swift is not much - just some 50 kg or so lesser than Punto. An extra female passenger or some luggage is enough to offset the weight advantage.
What I would have loved is the Swift with the VGT engine. That would have been killer! Imagine what an RD box on P2 could have done with that machine!
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Glad to have a T-Jet owner comment.
First things first, I haven't had the pleasure of driving a proper T-Jet yet, thats why i refrained from making comparisons. My T-Jet drive was an abused example which simply refused to revv higher.
To put things fair - I qouted POVs from KarthikK, who owns T-Jet as well as Punto 90HP, and his close relative has the old 1.6 Palio too. |
The next time we meet, I will get the T-Jet so you can compare the acceleration feel back to back with a turbo petrol.
In simple words, this is how I see it :
Palio 1.6 - linear, intense acceleration from the word go, till redline
Punto 1.3 90HP - sluggish acceleration until 1600 rpm, moderate acceleration from 1600-2500rpm, punchy acceleration from 2500rpm to 3500rpm, after which it tapers off
1.4 T-Jet - semi-sluggish moderate acceleration until 1800 rpm, double intense acceleration from 1800rpm to 5500rpm
Punto 1.3 90HP with P2 mode - sluggish acceleration until 1500rpm, moderate acceleration from 1500-2000rpm, 1.5x intense acceleration from 2000rpm to 4000rpm. Didn't try redlining so no idea when it tapers off.
Well, maybe the words turned out to be not-so-simple. Never mind.
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1. No. Its not even close to the T-Jet. I dont believe in 30% and 40% figures yet too, but I do feel the response has increased significantly, specially in P2 mode.
2. T-Jet feels 2X faster than 90HP and 1.5X faster than P2 mode in his opinion. (But on paper, 90HP should be close to T-Jet while P2 should be matching T-Jet).
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I still stick to that stand. The 90HP on P2 might be making the same peak power value, but how it makes it and how soon it makes are the factors differing between the box'ed MultiJet and T-Jet.
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5. P2 mode in RD box doesn't let the power taper as much as stock. Its way more revv friendly. Karthik refers to this mode as turbo-petrol mode, as the response is similar (though much less) as the turbo-petrol T-Jet.
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Like I had mentioned even in page 1, what I felt about the P2 was the urge to dart ahead, something which was missing with the stock map. Also, the range of pushed-to-your-seat feel has expanded vastly across the rev range, and the car keeps pulling and pulling like a turbo petrol. Definitely this mode is the closest way one can get to a turbo-petrol.
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Originally Posted by krreddy I drive a 74 BHP Punto Em Pk and i'm really unhappy with the pickup as it's in her 4th year of ownership. Very tempting to pick one up, but i don't know if it's worth the investment considering the car will be due for a change very soon. |
Why not go for the box? Anyway I believe you are out of warranty period. I found P1 to be impressive in terms of city driveability. There was lesser lag and more linear acceleration, which will be very useful in traffic and frequent start-stops.
Even if you change the car soon, I believe RD changes the box (connectors and maps) for your next car at no extra cost.
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Punto is a very noisy car from my experience. So how has it affected the engine noise?
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Surprised that you say that. The MultiJet is one of the quieter, more refined oil burners you can pick up in the hatchback market. You ought to listen to some of the competition (barring the i20) to actually hear some diesel clatter noise *smiles*. To answer your question - From what I noticed on the box'ed MultiJet, there was no perceptible difference in noise. CD will know better than me since he has been driving it extensively.