Safari TCIC 2.0 Engine swap with 3.0L DICOR Engine

gd1418 · 8th November 2007, 19:26

Guys,

I've a '98 TATA Safari 4x4 having done 64K kms on the odo. This has a 90 BHP TCIC engine. I'm too much in love with this machine to even think of disposing off.

Can I swap my Safari's engine with that of the current 3.0L Dicor? What all is involved and is that a too much of a hassle to even think off?

A detailed advice would be appreciated.

Mods: if this subject has been covered elsewhere please merge this with that thread. Thank you.

Mpower · 8th November 2007, 19:29

If you can find an engine, then swap is no problemo.

Call up the dealer and find out how much they charge for the 3.0 with ECU, engine mounts etc.

Proxima · 8th November 2007, 19:31

Hmm, GD, Ill keep an eye on this thread, may be interested too. I too have a TCIC Safari, a 2004 model run 58K kms.

gd1418 · 8th November 2007, 19:37

Don't want to go thru the dealer route. Quite a hassle. Engines can be picked up from total-loss vehicles. Want to get this done at my local mechanics..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mpower

If you can find an engine, then swap is no problemo.

Call up the dealer and find out how much they charge for the 3.0 with ECU, engine mounts etc.

jyobeb · 8th November 2007, 21:50

I was planning to do this before I picked up my DICOR.
A lot of mounting positions change. The gearbox has to move back by about 4 inches, the battery has to switch sides, the engine bed brackets have to be relocated and the radiator has to be changed as also your intercooler plumbing.
Possible with a good mechanic and lots of time.
Best of luck with your search for an engine.

nitrous · 9th November 2007, 09:11

OT:
Gd,Only 64K kms in 9 years?
Wow!

I'd take every single word of Jyobeb.

gd1418 · 9th November 2007, 10:18

Yes, as there were other cars for daily commuting. This was used only when the entire lot used to go together and also for Interstate driving.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

OT:
Gd,Only 64K kms in 9 years?
Wow!

Steeroid · 9th November 2007, 12:20

Let me know if you still havent found an engine in Jan 08.

shivapsreddy · 9th November 2007, 17:03

How about a Mahindra Scorpio 2.6 crde engine on a safari. I think this will be very good as the Mahindra scorpio has better engine than the safari 3.0 dicor. It may be a big investment as gearbox also needs to be changed and also some other changes to fit this engine. Has any one ever attempted this?.

Will it be better than a 3.0 dicor egine??.

gd1418 · 10th November 2007, 11:53

It will have to be a 4x4 gearbox as well. Mine is a 4x4 Safari

Quote:

Originally Posted by shivapsreddy

How about a Mahindra Scorpio 2.6 crde engine on a safari. I think this will be very good as the Mahindra scorpio has better engine than the safari 3.0 dicor. It may be a big investment as gearbox also needs to be changed and also some other changes to fit this engine. Has any one ever attempted this?.

Will it be better than a 3.0 dicor egine??.

prabhuav · 13th November 2007, 17:03

I dont think it is worth the hassle.. Additionally the local mechanics will have serious trouble working on the complex electronics that control the CRD .. Not many of them have even seen a common rail.

My tuppence

xxaarraa · 13th November 2007, 19:30

Never owned a safari, but here is my 2 cents. An engine swap ALMOST ALWAYS proves more expensive in time and money compared to trading in for a later model with the engine you want. Its true world over for any car.

Unless of course you have sentimental attachment to a particular car in which case economics are out the window.

nitrous · 13th November 2007, 20:43

From the looks of it, the swap doesn't seem bolt-on.
Speak to the best mech u can find and ask around if its been done.

abhishek2 · 13th November 2007, 21:03

If youre planning to swap the engine why not put some more money and put a V8 or something with the works.

Well that's my dream,

I'm sure it'll cost the world but reliability will be a major turn off.

I hope Somebody somewhere is crazy enough to even try something like this.

nitrous · 18th November 2007, 14:59

Gd, during my recent engine window shopping in chennai, I was told by an engine dealer that he sold a DICOR engine from a two-month old totaled safari for 55,000 bucks.

Only a pulley and one other component needed replacement which he did before he sold the engine.

8th November 2007, 19:26	#1
gd1418 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,578 Thanked: 728 Times View My Garage	Safari TCIC 2.0 Engine swap with 3.0L DICOR Engine Guys, I've a '98 TATA Safari 4x4 having done 64K kms on the odo. This has a 90 BHP TCIC engine. I'm too much in love with this machine to even think of disposing off. Can I swap my Safari's engine with that of the current 3.0L Dicor? What all is involved and is that a too much of a hassle to even think off? A detailed advice would be appreciated. Mods: if this subject has been covered elsewhere please merge this with that thread. Thank you.
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8th November 2007, 19:29	#2
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	If you can find an engine, then swap is no problemo. Call up the dealer and find out how much they charge for the 3.0 with ECU, engine mounts etc.
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8th November 2007, 19:31	#3
Proxima BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 910 Thanked: 302 Times	Hmm, GD, Ill keep an eye on this thread, may be interested too. I too have a TCIC Safari, a 2004 model run 58K kms.
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8th November 2007, 21:50	#5
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	I was planning to do this before I picked up my DICOR. A lot of mounting positions change. The gearbox has to move back by about 4 inches, the battery has to switch sides, the engine bed brackets have to be relocated and the radiator has to be changed as also your intercooler plumbing. Possible with a good mechanic and lots of time. Best of luck with your search for an engine.
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9th November 2007, 09:11	#6
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	OT: Gd,Only 64K kms in 9 years? Wow! I'd take every single word of Jyobeb.
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9th November 2007, 12:20	#8
Steeroid Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A Posts: 7,046 Thanked: 2,751 Times	Let me know if you still havent found an engine in Jan 08.
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9th November 2007, 17:03	#9
shivapsreddy BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nuremberg,Germany Posts: 62 Thanked: 0 Times	How about a Mahindra Scorpio 2.6 crde engine on a safari. I think this will be very good as the Mahindra scorpio has better engine than the safari 3.0 dicor. It may be a big investment as gearbox also needs to be changed and also some other changes to fit this engine. Has any one ever attempted this?. Will it be better than a 3.0 dicor egine??.
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13th November 2007, 17:03	#11
prabhuav BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 672 Thanked: 128 Times View My Garage	i would advice against it I dont think it is worth the hassle.. Additionally the local mechanics will have serious trouble working on the complex electronics that control the CRD .. Not many of them have even seen a common rail. My tuppence
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13th November 2007, 19:30	#12
xxaarraa BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lot of places Posts: 140 Thanked: 5 Times	Never owned a safari, but here is my 2 cents. An engine swap ALMOST ALWAYS proves more expensive in time and money compared to trading in for a later model with the engine you want. Its true world over for any car. Unless of course you have sentimental attachment to a particular car in which case economics are out the window.
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13th November 2007, 20:43	#13
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	From the looks of it, the swap doesn't seem bolt-on. Speak to the best mech u can find and ask around if its been done.
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13th November 2007, 21:03	#14
abhishek2 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 33 Thanked: 0 Times	If youre planning to swap the engine why not put some more money and put a V8 or something with the works. Well that's my dream, I'm sure it'll cost the world but reliability will be a major turn off. I hope Somebody somewhere is crazy enough to even try something like this.
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18th November 2007, 14:59	#15
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Gd, during my recent engine window shopping in chennai, I was told by an engine dealer that he sold a DICOR engine from a two-month old totaled safari for 55,000 bucks. Only a pulley and one other component needed replacement which he did before he sold the engine.
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