wud this mod work? plz help..

Rice_tuner · 25th December 2004, 10:21

hey ppl...i'm a 17 yr old "street racer" turnin 18 in 10 days! (gettin a legal lincese then

) anyways...i drive a carb zen with a free flow and a ported and polished block...
my question:-
i found a hair drier kinda thing at home...i sorta moulded the front of it to fit into the carb's intake...i can get the wiring done to power it thru the battery...

will this contraption work as a turbo??? cuz i'm force feedin a lot of air into the carb..also if it wont, is there any way it will???
plz help..

Gordon · 25th December 2004, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Rice_tuner

will this contraption work as a turbo???

a turbo??!! or a supercharger??!

Rice_tuner · 25th December 2004, 10:38

i dont mind it workin as anythin! turbo/super...just let me know on how to get this concept going...

Gordon · 25th December 2004, 10:41

logically speaking, sounds like you'll get more air intake.........practically speaking, I really have no idea whether it'll work

speedsatya · 25th December 2004, 10:55

the hair drier will throw hot air.and this can affect ur performance.
instead u can make a vent on ur bonnet so that u get the increased air -flow.
but,
making a vent wud mean ,more dirt getting into ur engine bay and maybe water entering during rains.

how abt packing some dry ice just before ur intake .
dunno if it works,but atleast theoretically it shud.
Dom,Shan plssss help.

z klasse · 25th December 2004, 11:26

Dry ice would work but the waste product of dry ice when it evaporates leaves co2. i dont think you would want that to enter your engine. Also if dry ice is not ventilated then it can cause a sort of an explosion.... plus dry ice is difficult to handle and can be dangerous if held by hand for long. plus the power gained is not worth all the effort..
Try it if you want. Its more psychological power that u would feel but really its nothing.. go ahead and try it if u have something let me know..
thanks

z klasse

Rice_tuner · 25th December 2004, 12:07

hey...the thing i have is NOT a hair drier...its a blower...so it does'nt throw out HOT air...plus i already have a scoop on my hood...

speedsatya · 25th December 2004, 14:33

instead of air into the engine how abt an exhaust fan type thing which wud sukk the hot air from the engine..
dunno if it wud work when travelling at speeds.

Rice_tuner · 25th December 2004, 16:49

hey satya...an exhaust fan kinda thing is good...but it wont do as much as forced induction...n plus, the scoop on my hood does a decent job of keepin the engine bay cool...

p.s:-where is dom? have'nt seen him around much these days...

Rehaan · 25th December 2004, 17:32

Aah... to be 17

I had spent a lot of time contemplating these things as well... lol.

Ok heres the deal.
Chances are that the blower will not be able to move as much air as the engine could suck anyway.
Maybe when the engine is idling the fan *might* be a bit of an aid (since the engine is not sucking as much air)
So most of the time the fan would be more like a restriction.
(Keep in mind we are talking about some little blower thing home appliance)

Carburettors have a rating measured in CFM. (ie Cubic Feet per Minute). Ie thats how many cubic feet of air the carb can pass through it per minute at a maximum.

Chances are, that your "electric supercharger" has a much lower CFM than your carb anyway. so that should answer your question.

However, there are some electric supercargers capable of ~700cfm and 25,000+RPM, give em a look.

anyone knows how many CFM the stock zen's carb is? (my `83 2L merc has a 175CFM stromberg)

cya
R

Rice_tuner · 25th December 2004, 17:46

hey...this "blower" of mine is a "Hotech" power tool... it puts out some SERIOUS air...it has a max speed of 14300 RPM! (accordin to the manual)
the manual also says... sumhin like 2.9m^3 (i guess thats the amt of air it blows a min/sec...dunno wat)...

autopsyche · 25th December 2004, 19:09

2.9 cubic meter = 31.2 cubic feet, now youll have to check whether it is per min or per sec (doubtful). And moreover as someone pointed out it might aid while the engine is idling but at higher rpms it wud be practically non existent. what say?

Rice_tuner · 26th December 2004, 19:38

as sumone pointed out...does anyone know where i can get an "electric supercharger" or do i have to build one myself?
also, is there any way of increasin my stock carb's CFM rating?
thanx

Rehaan · 26th December 2004, 19:43

Rice,

do a google for electric superchargers... im sure there will be a lot of DIY (do it yourself) projects available online.
You could just get a larger capacity carbs (or twincarbs etc etc)

Although, what i think would be the best modification for you and your car would be a good book on the basics of automobiles and their workings.
In the meanwhile check out www.howstuffworks.com

cheers
R

Rice_tuner · 26th December 2004, 20:32

hey rehaan...thanx man...was thinkin of twin carbs...the thing is i'm pretty hard pressed for cash here...so am tryin out "cheaper" stuff to get power...(pretty unlikely...but givin it a shot)

25th December 2004, 10:21	#1
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	wud this mod work? plz help.. hey ppl...i'm a 17 yr old "street racer" turnin 18 in 10 days! (gettin a legal lincese then ) anyways...i drive a carb zen with a free flow and a ported and polished block... my question:- i found a hair drier kinda thing at home...i sorta moulded the front of it to fit into the carb's intake...i can get the wiring done to power it thru the battery... will this contraption work as a turbo??? cuz i'm force feedin a lot of air into the carb..also if it wont, is there any way it will??? plz help..
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25th December 2004, 10:38	#3
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	i dont mind it workin as anythin! turbo/super...just let me know on how to get this concept going...
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25th December 2004, 10:41	#4
Gordon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,546 Thanked: 483 Times View My Garage	logically speaking, sounds like you'll get more air intake.........practically speaking, I really have no idea whether it'll work
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25th December 2004, 10:55	#5
speedsatya Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: bangalore/manga Posts: 3,169 Thanked: 738 Times View My Garage	the hair drier will throw hot air.and this can affect ur performance. instead u can make a vent on ur bonnet so that u get the increased air -flow. but, making a vent wud mean ,more dirt getting into ur engine bay and maybe water entering during rains. how abt packing some dry ice just before ur intake . dunno if it works,but atleast theoretically it shud. Dom,Shan plssss help.
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25th December 2004, 11:26	#6
z klasse BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 351 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Dry ice would work but the waste product of dry ice when it evaporates leaves co2. i dont think you would want that to enter your engine. Also if dry ice is not ventilated then it can cause a sort of an explosion.... plus dry ice is difficult to handle and can be dangerous if held by hand for long. plus the power gained is not worth all the effort.. Try it if you want. Its more psychological power that u would feel but really its nothing.. go ahead and try it if u have something let me know.. thanks z klasse
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25th December 2004, 12:07	#7
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	hey...the thing i have is NOT a hair drier...its a blower...so it does'nt throw out HOT air...plus i already have a scoop on my hood...
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25th December 2004, 14:33	#8
speedsatya Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: bangalore/manga Posts: 3,169 Thanked: 738 Times View My Garage	instead of air into the engine how abt an exhaust fan type thing which wud sukk the hot air from the engine.. dunno if it wud work when travelling at speeds.
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25th December 2004, 16:49	#9
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	hey satya...an exhaust fan kinda thing is good...but it wont do as much as forced induction...n plus, the scoop on my hood does a decent job of keepin the engine bay cool... p.s:-where is dom? have'nt seen him around much these days...
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25th December 2004, 17:32	#10
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	Aah... to be 17 I had spent a lot of time contemplating these things as well... lol. Ok heres the deal. Chances are that the blower will not be able to move as much air as the engine could suck anyway. Maybe when the engine is idling the fan might be a bit of an aid (since the engine is not sucking as much air) So most of the time the fan would be more like a restriction. (Keep in mind we are talking about some little blower thing home appliance) Carburettors have a rating measured in CFM. (ie Cubic Feet per Minute). Ie thats how many cubic feet of air the carb can pass through it per minute at a maximum. Chances are, that your "electric supercharger" has a much lower CFM than your carb anyway. so that should answer your question. However, there are some electric supercargers capable of ~700cfm and 25,000+RPM, give em a look. anyone knows how many CFM the stock zen's carb is? (my `83 2L merc has a 175CFM stromberg) cya R
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25th December 2004, 17:46	#11
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	hey...this "blower" of mine is a "Hotech" power tool... it puts out some SERIOUS air...it has a max speed of 14300 RPM! (accordin to the manual) the manual also says... sumhin like 2.9m^3 (i guess thats the amt of air it blows a min/sec...dunno wat)...
	() Thanks

25th December 2004, 19:09	#12
autopsyche Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi, Indi Posts: 1,519 Thanked: 33 Times View My Garage	2.9 cubic meter = 31.2 cubic feet, now youll have to check whether it is per min or per sec (doubtful). And moreover as someone pointed out it might aid while the engine is idling but at higher rpms it wud be practically non existent. what say?
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26th December 2004, 19:38	#13
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	as sumone pointed out...does anyone know where i can get an "electric supercharger" or do i have to build one myself? also, is there any way of increasin my stock carb's CFM rating? thanx
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26th December 2004, 19:43	#14
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	Rice, do a google for electric superchargers... im sure there will be a lot of DIY (do it yourself) projects available online. You could just get a larger capacity carbs (or twincarbs etc etc) Although, what i think would be the best modification for you and your car would be a good book on the basics of automobiles and their workings. In the meanwhile check out www.howstuffworks.com cheers R
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26th December 2004, 20:32	#15
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	hey rehaan...thanx man...was thinkin of twin carbs...the thing is i'm pretty hard pressed for cash here...so am tryin out "cheaper" stuff to get power...(pretty unlikely...but givin it a shot)
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