Are FFEs and Xenons legal?

pingping · 5th January 2008, 12:51

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Originally Posted by PatchyBoy

Then why are the available for sale? Is this the "POTworld" scenario we are talking about???

Smoking is not illegal but smoking in train or bus is illegal, drinking is not illegal but drinking and driving is illegal, black and dark sun films are not illegal but sticking them in ur car glass is illegal, all 90/100 w bulbs as such are not illegal, infact using them in ur car itself is not illegal but driving with that lights on is illegal......... INDIAN LEGAL SYSTEM

esteem_lover · 5th January 2008, 21:32

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Originally Posted by pingping

Smoking is not illegal but smoking in train or bus is illegal, drinking is not illegal but drinking and driving is illegal, black and dark sun films are not illegal but sticking them in ur car glass is illegal, all 90/100 w bulbs as such are not illegal, infact using them in ur car itself is not illegal but driving with that lights on is illegal......... INDIAN LEGAL SYSTEM

You MUST be a lawyer pingpong, right ?

PatchyBoy · 5th January 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by pingping

Smoking is not illegal but smoking in train or bus is illegal, drinking is not illegal but drinking and driving is illegal, black and dark sun films are not illegal but sticking them in ur car glass is illegal, all 90/100 w bulbs as such are not illegal, infact using them in ur car itself is not illegal but driving with that lights on is illegal......... INDIAN LEGAL SYSTEM

Cheers,
Rajan

hrman · 5th January 2008, 22:26

I checked up with the Automotive lamps division of a large Lamp manufacturer. Any bulb which has wattage above 60/55 is definitely not street legal.
The Diamond vision, crystal vision etc are legal only if they are at the 60/55 wattage. So the xtreme power and the vision plus, night-breakers etc, are permissible, since although they emit more light, they are within the specified wattage.
And oh yes, more light comes at the price of the life of the bulb. While the OEM are supposed to have a life of say 800 hours, the power plus', night breakers etc have a life of about 400 hrs.

Rally eye - 100/90 and above is not legal. Hence sold as after market fitments.
My question is, will the cops stop the car if it is emitting more light and check by peeking into the headlight where the wattage is mentioned on the bulb? What if you mask/ remove the painted wattage on the bulbs and then install them, what happens?

pingping · 6th January 2008, 00:54

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

You MUST be a lawyer pingpong, right ?

Nupe i just joined as management trainee and getting groomed to be a manager soon in a reputed firm... I have passed out of a flagship business school in the country and there we have Legal Environment as an important subject ... im just a small guy...

harry2223 · 11th March 2008, 19:16

hi friends ,
i have a question that are those custom made exhausts legal .i had put a custom made exhaust in my car to make it louder . one of the catalytic convertor is there while the another is removed . is it legal????? plz friends......reply

razor4077 · 11th March 2008, 21:02

Not sure what you mean by one of the cat cons. Which car do you drive? I haven't heard of a car with 2 cat cons!
By "exhaust" are you referring to the muffler/ end can? This is the portion of the exhaust system which controls the sounds levels.
Strictly speaking, removing the cat con could be considered illegal (others pls correct me if I'm wrong). However, as long as your car passes the emission tests, nobody will complain.

v1p3r · 11th March 2008, 21:05

Removal of the catcon is illegal, strictly speaking. Also, your M800 doesn't have 2 catcons. Only if you have 2 separate exhaust tracts will you need 2 catcons, like the Accord V6.

harry2223 · 12th March 2008, 07:28

i mean those cans that are present to control sound level . if i take out all the filters present in the can instead of removing it . will it also be illegal . can some one please give detailed information about an exhaust and laws about it

ashutoshb · 12th March 2008, 11:04

Do the Patiala police regulary check for the pollution certificate? If yes, then you'll be in trouble, because your car without the can is emitting more pollution than the permitted levels.

If no, then I don't think there should be any problem.

Surprisingly, after I'd put automech FFE in my Alto, it still passed the pollution test!

Cyrus43 · 12th March 2008, 11:23

Yes. A loud exhaust is illegal. I have been caught several times in my car for having a Freeflow in mumbai. But a trick you can use is as follows.
1)Dont change the end tip. If the cops see a Big exhaust sticking out of the back of your car, they will catch you.
2)Another thing that you can do is put a half exhaust, i.e. NO ENDPIPE. this sound MAGNIFICENT and when the cops do natak you can always say that the rear pipe has fallen off.

razor4077 · 12th March 2008, 12:12

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Originally Posted by harry2223

i mean those cans that are present to control sound level . if i take out all the filters present in the can instead of removing it . will it also be illegal . can some one please give detailed information about an exhaust and laws about it

There is one "can" that is present to control the sound level, and this is the muffler/silencer/end-can. Modifying the stock muffler isn't something I would try. If you want to get a sporty sound, then get a sports muffler, which will look good and sound good (sound levels vary by model). A loud exhaust may attract cops - this is something you have to be prepared for. If you are not removing the cat con, then there will be no increase in pollution levels.

You can learn more about car exhausts here:
Howstuffworks "Car Exhaust and Emissions Channel"

Aficionado · 12th March 2008, 15:27

As far as i know. I haven't been stopped for an FFE installed on my baleno. Maybe its due to the lack of awareness amongst the cops as they mostly tend to think its a faulty silencer. Funny huh. Punjab it is. Anyways, xenons are not illegal as long as you don't get those non -genuine blue beems which bother the eyes. I suggest go for it. Don't bother much bout the cops.

harry2223 · 12th March 2008, 17:16

cops in punjab are not much aware about these modified exhausts as they think its a silencer problem or holes in silencer due to rust. but what about other cities like delhi etc. i havent seen any car in my city with modded exhausts.

gd1418 · 12th March 2008, 19:24

What if a Porsche Boxter with twin roaring exhausts or a Lambo Murciliago zooms past with that roar to die for, come within the ambit of legality?

Secondly, HIDs or Xenons emit bright light while the wattage of the bulb remains at 35W. What about them?

5th January 2008, 22:26	#34
hrman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,128 Thanked: 1,015 Times	I checked up with the Automotive lamps division of a large Lamp manufacturer. Any bulb which has wattage above 60/55 is definitely not street legal. The Diamond vision, crystal vision etc are legal only if they are at the 60/55 wattage. So the xtreme power and the vision plus, night-breakers etc, are permissible, since although they emit more light, they are within the specified wattage. And oh yes, more light comes at the price of the life of the bulb. While the OEM are supposed to have a life of say 800 hours, the power plus', night breakers etc have a life of about 400 hrs. Rally eye - 100/90 and above is not legal. Hence sold as after market fitments. My question is, will the cops stop the car if it is emitting more light and check by peeking into the headlight where the wattage is mentioned on the bulb? What if you mask/ remove the painted wattage on the bulbs and then install them, what happens?
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11th March 2008, 19:16	#36
harry2223 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: patiala Posts: 350 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	custom exhaust hi friends , i have a question that are those custom made exhausts legal .i had put a custom made exhaust in my car to make it louder . one of the catalytic convertor is there while the another is removed . is it legal????? plz friends......reply
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11th March 2008, 21:02	#37
razor4077 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,882 Thanked: 298 Times View My Garage	Not sure what you mean by one of the cat cons. Which car do you drive? I haven't heard of a car with 2 cat cons! By "exhaust" are you referring to the muffler/ end can? This is the portion of the exhaust system which controls the sounds levels. Strictly speaking, removing the cat con could be considered illegal (others pls correct me if I'm wrong). However, as long as your car passes the emission tests, nobody will complain.
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11th March 2008, 21:05	#38
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Removal of the catcon is illegal, strictly speaking. Also, your M800 doesn't have 2 catcons. Only if you have 2 separate exhaust tracts will you need 2 catcons, like the Accord V6.
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12th March 2008, 07:28	#39
harry2223 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: patiala Posts: 350 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	i mean those cans that are present to control sound level . if i take out all the filters present in the can instead of removing it . will it also be illegal . can some one please give detailed information about an exhaust and laws about it
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12th March 2008, 11:04	#40
ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,756 Thanked: 4,288 Times View My Garage	Do the Patiala police regulary check for the pollution certificate? If yes, then you'll be in trouble, because your car without the can is emitting more pollution than the permitted levels. If no, then I don't think there should be any problem. Surprisingly, after I'd put automech FFE in my Alto, it still passed the pollution test!
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12th March 2008, 11:23	#41
Cyrus43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,019 Thanked: 221 Times View My Garage	Yes. A loud exhaust is illegal. I have been caught several times in my car for having a Freeflow in mumbai. But a trick you can use is as follows. 1)Dont change the end tip. If the cops see a Big exhaust sticking out of the back of your car, they will catch you. 2)Another thing that you can do is put a half exhaust, i.e. NO ENDPIPE. this sound MAGNIFICENT and when the cops do natak you can always say that the rear pipe has fallen off.
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12th March 2008, 15:27	#43
Aficionado Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chandigarh Posts: 21 Thanked: 0 Times	As far as i know. I haven't been stopped for an FFE installed on my baleno. Maybe its due to the lack of awareness amongst the cops as they mostly tend to think its a faulty silencer. Funny huh. Punjab it is. Anyways, xenons are not illegal as long as you don't get those non -genuine blue beems which bother the eyes. I suggest go for it. Don't bother much bout the cops.
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12th March 2008, 17:16	#44
harry2223 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: patiala Posts: 350 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	cops in punjab are not much aware about these modified exhausts as they think its a silencer problem or holes in silencer due to rust. but what about other cities like delhi etc. i havent seen any car in my city with modded exhausts.
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12th March 2008, 19:24	#45
gd1418 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,578 Thanked: 728 Times View My Garage	What if a Porsche Boxter with twin roaring exhausts or a Lambo Murciliago zooms past with that roar to die for, come within the ambit of legality? Secondly, HIDs or Xenons emit bright light while the wattage of the bulb remains at 35W. What about them? Last edited by gd1418 : 12th March 2008 at 19:25.
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