Monkeys remapped RS on the dyno. Only 144 BHP at the wheels?

iraghava · 19th February 2008, 22:53

That's quite a disappointing result. Bandar-ji, any guesses yet on the cause of such low figures?

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Originally Posted by ananthkamath

If its a pete's box (I'm not sure if you're refering to a software reflash or external hardware) then it can be easily disconnected and two back-to-back runs with a 15-minute cooldown should let the REAL cat out of the bag.

Ananth - IIRC, it's a remap & not a box. So possibility of a standard & mapped run seem improbable.

west · 19th February 2008, 23:00

who did the remap? call him up and ask him to load original map. check on the dyno and then remap again. Pete should give you a credit back on this with out a problem. Again what extra hardware you are using, any valve upgrade from pete? Also check for leaks ...Also check for fault codes before remapping again. I guess blown of valve or leaks in turbo setup

PJSPEED · 19th February 2008, 23:08

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Originally Posted by west

who did the remap? call him up and ask him to load original map. check on the dyno and then remap again. Pete should give you a credit back on this with out a problem. Again what extra hardware you are using, any valve upgrade from pete? Also check for leaks ...Also check for fault codes before remapping again. I guess blown of valve or leaks in turbo setup

Yes check for leaks near pancake pipe........If you have VAG Com it will show some cam advance fault.......

Regards,
PJ

ram_hyundai · 19th February 2008, 23:09

such a huge drop in power is not acceptable at all.we have to dyno a stock rs first as gambella said ,we should have a clear idea on both the cars so that we know where is the missing beat.hope it will be done before the drag.
ram

drpullockaran · 19th February 2008, 23:11

My wild guess for the problem is an inefficient fuel filter and/or a weak fuel pump because the initial thrust looks real good..
How much foes this car make without the PETE's box?
Bye and wear your seat belts

nitroxx · 19th February 2008, 23:13

READ THIS:
I have had my vRS dyno'd at two different places. The first RR gave a figure of 166 bhp at the wheels when it was basically standard (only mod was a Green filter) the second RR gave a figure of 148bhp at the wheels when modified (Full Blue flame exhaust, APR turbo inlet pipe, Bailey DV30 and Green filter). On the second RR my car was performing very well (holding a steady 10psi boost all through the rev range) and was noticeably faster than when first dyno'd but the power at the wheels figures were 18bhp down.

As Fluffmeister says, RR figures are best used as a guide (even the same RR may give a different reading on the same car from one day to the next) All that matters is that you car puts a smile on your face

Skoda VRS 2002 at briskoda.net

PLus the fact that along the rev range of 4.5 -5000 he's having a n issue with his AFR. Not to mention, if this IS a stage 3..he'll need to change alot of his turbo components to gain maximum power..its like sticking a 6 speed transmission on a stage 2 car, you wont gain, you'll lose. Plus most importantly you need to consider the fact that if he runs a way higher fuel ratio..on stock injectors..what would you think would happen?

All I'm saying is technically in most places on a dyno they do a series of runs on the same car with a lil bit of tweaking to get maximum gain, a slight clutch slip would also be indicated in his dropped wave rev range (skodas major issue for ages).. along with that my FIRST question..what rpm does his turbo spool up? Would answer loads of turbo mapping questions..if its stage whatever. And what bar of fuel pressure does it use along the ranges?

And now for a tip..you wanna see immediate gains run a crazy clutch.

And by the way a high flow fuel pump is definitely necessary with all this E-prom mischief.

iraghava · 19th February 2008, 23:19

Also, I'm pretty sure he's not running a Stage 3 Remap/Setup.

west · 19th February 2008, 23:22

If monkey is in stage 3 with pete , pete should have taken care of it with hardwareupgrade. There is quaike differential which reduces loss in power to the wheels I guess unless tires are bald and slipping. I say it should be a leak in the tubo setup as suggested by PJ, divertor valve couldnt blow so easily if its from pete. Any way Just check if you have a vagcom for fault codes.

nitroxx · 19th February 2008, 23:25

DID you mean QUAIFE? yes it makes a huge difference on power..As I said to get to the turbo bit, we need to know answers.

BUSA · 19th February 2008, 23:26

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Originally Posted by iraghava

Also, I'm pretty sure he's not running a Stage 3 Remap/Setup.

Pagal Bandar is running Stage 1 remap which boosts power from 150bhp to 200bhp

Its a remap. You can bolt a Tunning Box on any petrol car IIRC.

west · 19th February 2008, 23:27

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Originally Posted by nitroxx

DID you mean QUAIFE? yes it makes a huge difference on power..As I said to get to the turbo bit, we need to know answers.

Yes It is. Only if has gtr28rs turbo setup Differential wont come into picture I guess.

west · 19th February 2008, 23:30

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Originally Posted by BUSA

Pagal Bandar is running Stage 1 remap which boosts power from 150bhp to 200bhp

Its a remap. You can bolt a Tunning Box on any petrol car IIRC.

Ok if hes in stage 1 by petes its definetly a wrong software loaded by the petes dealer or didnt check the fault codes before loading generic remap.

nitroxx · 19th February 2008, 23:31

Well, to be honest with you the car in concern has no custom turbo setup...since we are discussing yuvi's car I know the diff would help. And if its stage one.. two things how long since his first clutch change? With the way he drives? And What Map specs?

west · 19th February 2008, 23:38

If you have a vagcom give me ecu no Should look some thing like this ECU ID NO: TMBAGF1U64A022556 SKZ7ZOD2512221 038906012F 1.91RL EDC

ofcourse this is for 1.9 tdi

PJSPEED · 19th February 2008, 23:40

Anyway peter will take care of this problem......Keep us updated.......
For me after changing N75 to N75J it feels very good......

Regards,
PJ

19th February 2008, 23:00	#17
west BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: India Posts: 273 Thanked: 49 Times	who did the remap? call him up and ask him to load original map. check on the dyno and then remap again. Pete should give you a credit back on this with out a problem. Again what extra hardware you are using, any valve upgrade from pete? Also check for leaks ...Also check for fault codes before remapping again. I guess blown of valve or leaks in turbo setup Last edited by west : 19th February 2008 at 23:02.
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19th February 2008, 23:09	#19
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	such a huge drop in power is not acceptable at all.we have to dyno a stock rs first as gambella said ,we should have a clear idea on both the cars so that we know where is the missing beat.hope it will be done before the drag. ram
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19th February 2008, 23:11	#20
drpullockaran BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ERNAKULAM Posts: 962 Thanked: 380 Times	Fuel pump or fuel filter My wild guess for the problem is an inefficient fuel filter and/or a weak fuel pump because the initial thrust looks real good.. How much foes this car make without the PETE's box? Bye and wear your seat belts
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19th February 2008, 23:13	#21
nitroxx Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: DXB Posts: 816 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	READ THIS: I have had my vRS dyno'd at two different places. The first RR gave a figure of 166 bhp at the wheels when it was basically standard (only mod was a Green filter) the second RR gave a figure of 148bhp at the wheels when modified (Full Blue flame exhaust, APR turbo inlet pipe, Bailey DV30 and Green filter). On the second RR my car was performing very well (holding a steady 10psi boost all through the rev range) and was noticeably faster than when first dyno'd but the power at the wheels figures were 18bhp down. As Fluffmeister says, RR figures are best used as a guide (even the same RR may give a different reading on the same car from one day to the next) All that matters is that you car puts a smile on your face Skoda VRS 2002 at briskoda.net PLus the fact that along the rev range of 4.5 -5000 he's having a n issue with his AFR. Not to mention, if this IS a stage 3..he'll need to change alot of his turbo components to gain maximum power..its like sticking a 6 speed transmission on a stage 2 car, you wont gain, you'll lose. Plus most importantly you need to consider the fact that if he runs a way higher fuel ratio..on stock injectors..what would you think would happen? All I'm saying is technically in most places on a dyno they do a series of runs on the same car with a lil bit of tweaking to get maximum gain, a slight clutch slip would also be indicated in his dropped wave rev range (skodas major issue for ages).. along with that my FIRST question..what rpm does his turbo spool up? Would answer loads of turbo mapping questions..if its stage whatever. And what bar of fuel pressure does it use along the ranges? And now for a tip..you wanna see immediate gains run a crazy clutch. And by the way a high flow fuel pump is definitely necessary with all this E-prom mischief. Last edited by nitroxx : 19th February 2008 at 23:20.
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19th February 2008, 23:19	#22
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	Also, I'm pretty sure he's not running a Stage 3 Remap/Setup.
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19th February 2008, 23:22	#23
west BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: India Posts: 273 Thanked: 49 Times	If monkey is in stage 3 with pete , pete should have taken care of it with hardwareupgrade. There is quaike differential which reduces loss in power to the wheels I guess unless tires are bald and slipping. I say it should be a leak in the tubo setup as suggested by PJ, divertor valve couldnt blow so easily if its from pete. Any way Just check if you have a vagcom for fault codes. Last edited by west : 19th February 2008 at 23:24.
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19th February 2008, 23:25	#24
nitroxx Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: DXB Posts: 816 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	DID you mean QUAIFE? yes it makes a huge difference on power..As I said to get to the turbo bit, we need to know answers.
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19th February 2008, 23:31	#28
nitroxx Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: DXB Posts: 816 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	Well, to be honest with you the car in concern has no custom turbo setup...since we are discussing yuvi's car I know the diff would help. And if its stage one.. two things how long since his first clutch change? With the way he drives? And What Map specs? Last edited by nitroxx : 19th February 2008 at 23:33.
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19th February 2008, 23:38	#29
west BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: India Posts: 273 Thanked: 49 Times	If you have a vagcom give me ecu no Should look some thing like this ECU ID NO: TMBAGF1U64A022556 SKZ7ZOD2512221 038906012F 1.91RL EDC ofcourse this is for 1.9 tdi
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19th February 2008, 23:40	#30
PJSPEED BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 171 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	Anyway peter will take care of this problem......Keep us updated....... For me after changing N75 to N75J it feels very good...... Regards, PJ
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