Performance Mods for Elantra CRDi

brraj · 31st July 2008, 10:26

good info there sameel.

By the way we tested 3 peted elantras with Dynolicious software with tadus iphone. We were amazed to see the best results which showed
0-100kmph in 7.35sec

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check out post# 18 of this link for the proof.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadget...-iphone-2.html

sameel · 31st July 2008, 11:03

thats cool. so the real world scenario is like 8-8.5 secs[ with box and booster the 0-100kmph would be same~]
that mind you guys is as good as VRS!![ we all know 8.5 sec in VRS is only a claim. the best achieved is 8.6xx secs last i remember]

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but that too diesel ..hehe
dont even think of putting in a BOX in stage 2 setting in Verna with a filter upgrade and stage three clutch

mclaren1885 · 31st July 2008, 11:25

Ripper, I have been just too busy to write a report. It should be up and running in about two weeks time. Waiting for my laptop to arrive and some more testing I have in mind.

Sameel, the clutch from the embara cannot be used on the elantra. The transmission on the embara is a 6-speed and the clutch assembly is different. But the 6-speed gearbox can be mounted onto the elantra's engine. But it will come at a huge cost.

As far as the mods on the elantra's are concerned, you are right about setting safe boost levels. But I have found tremendous difference in the response of the car. I wish I could put up this video of the 3 cars in action to give a clearer picture. Let me try what best I can come up with.

sameel · 31st July 2008, 11:49

yeah i know that . the sonata engine with a VGT makes 33kgm torque that would be best suited with a 6 gear box hence they use a six - speed manual transmission with the clutch specific to that gear box. but then again when you have loads of torque the best bet would be to go in for an additional cog, and yes the sonata gearbox and clutch assembly do can be mounted to the elantra engine .. but that will come at a huge cost.. but still its kind of ok at 80k[ the VGT of sonata costs slightly more ~90k] as far as i know probably lesser in the range of 60-80k rs perhaps[ this includes the whole setup! ..including fixing..]. now i hope you guys know why the mercedes uses a 7g triptronic . there is that much amount of torque

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the best bet would be get a custom stage three clutch.
the tough job is to get these for hyundai vehicles.
its readily available in korea.
even the angel eyes for verna is available in korea but not in India.
if anyone is in australia they can help out elantra petrol moding is famous there.
they do will be having a clutch custom to the petrol engine and diesel engine.

but then again for a one time drives for 100miles that is 160kms, the stock clutch will be okay. and then again no one will use the booster at high stting for continous 100miles. indian roads are not suited for that.
so for the time being the stock clutch can be used for the short say probably 40-50km rides i dont think even that is possible in Indian rods. we are talking of mad dashes to 160kmph[this is my safe speed

] in less than 25secs!! that is more than enough and please reaching 200kmph in 30-40secs might sound as fun. but its not what we would call as normal!! so for time being unless you guys plan for continous nonstop usage of boost controllers at high settings, the stock clutch and a better intercooler would be good enough.
peace out
sameel

mclaren1885 · 31st July 2008, 11:59

Sameel, I have looked around almost every place on net to find some stuff for the elantra diesel. None available. Though there are plenty of aftermarket parts available for the petrol elantras. Infact, I know someone in the US who can fabricate a stage 3 clutch for the Elantra Crdi if I can send him the stock set. Now whose going to come forward to pick up one?

Also, you are right about the 6 speed tranny. But Hyundai is not selling it off the shelf to any non-embara customers.

sameel · 31st July 2008, 13:12

if you do are that particular of the gearbox in the future or so. i might be able to help you source one. from the hyundai guys itself. i do can ask someone with the power to get that gearbox of the sonata for a non-embera customer too

.

i think it shouldnt be a prob to source it from outside there are dealers in bombay if i am not mistaken. i got myself an AC compressor for ACCENT DLS from bombay following the instrution from hyundai senior manager. he insisted to buy it like that we eneded up saving a huge amount abou 12k rs to be exact.

anyways lets set the ball rolling . i am sure there are many hyundai owners here who would like to have an all hyundai tuner unlike peter who is specialised in SKODAS mostly. except for the BOX.
in fact i myself had plans to start a pimp your ride garage.
but my present line of work doesnt have enough time to start something.
so i am now on the path to being an automotive expert.
probably an MS in Automotive electronics from Stuttgart university[ in the coming years] in Germany later a PhD too

prabhuav · 31st July 2008, 13:17

McLaren, how about the gujri? No Sonata embraeras got totalled ?

Gangsta · 31st July 2008, 14:46

Wow i'm really enjoying the discusion going on, thanx guys for sharing your knowledge about the performance mods. Kuddos cheers:

I think i should wait for more discussion then only i should go for the mods.

brraj · 14th October 2008, 11:22

Great news

Myself and satya(cmiuc) planned a trip to mysore at 10pm and we left in his boosted elantra. We were near khodays and satya said he saw some car (we were not knowing what car it is as he had switched on his HIDs) in his RVM driving rashly and overtaking other cars. He came back of us and flashed we give way just to see what car it is. guess what? it was a BMW 530D.

We were following it till NICE road by this time satya has already set his boost controller to 21psi. We try to overtake him, he gets the signal and both were pushing their cars to limits.

Guess what was the result? both were traveling at same speeds

and the car needle was glued to 210kmph, we see barricades and we slow down.

This was wonderful moments for us as our elantra can keep up with a BMW 530d till 210kmph. we knew that bmws can do more than that but still what brought smile to us is we could stick to it till 210kmph

.

Note - It was possible for us to keep up with the BMW 530d just because we had boost controller set to 21psi other wise don't even think of racing with bmw 530D as the pickup is violent in those cars.

viper · 14th October 2008, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by brraj

Note - It was possible for us to keep up with the BMW 530d just because we had boost controller set to 21psi other wise don't even think of racing with bmw 530D as the pickup is violent in those cars.

Hi,

Can you please inform us of the engine mods your car has. 21psi is just

Viper

brraj · 14th October 2008, 11:43

petes box set to stage 2
Green cotton filter
Agip synthetic oil
Greddy boost controller
turbo timer

planning for Intercooler

Akshay1234 · 14th October 2008, 11:43

the stock elantra internals can handle 21psi? wow.

and i didnt think you could just connect a boost controller and up the boost.

viper · 14th October 2008, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by brraj

petes box set to stage 2
Green cotton filter
Agip synthetic oil
Greddy boost controller
turbo timer

planning for Intercooler

Hi,

Are your internals stock or forged. Also what is the stock boost level of the Elantra. IMO the stock internals cannot handle 1.5 bar of boost.

Viper

tadukuttan · 14th October 2008, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by viper

Are your internals stock or forged. Also what is the stock boost level of the Elantra. IMO the stock internals cannot handle 1.5 bar of boost.Viper

The internals are all stock. And arent the stock internals "forged" anyway? Is there any other way to build the internals in these turbo diesels?

I know it is kind of hard to believe, so I even went around asking folks, including Keshav whether the readings from the Greddy boost controller is accurate, and they all say that this is among the most accurate ways to measure boost, among other things.

Had posted the performance difference measured using the iPhone dynolicious software http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadget...tml#post922383

Anyway, the petes box at stage 2 ups the boost to 16PSI, and so, I have been running 16PSI for some 40,000Kms now... And raj's/satya's cars have been running petes stage 2, so are running 16 "stock", when the boost controller is switched off. Except of course, when they see the occasional BMW?

brraj · 14th October 2008, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by akshay1234

and i didnt think you could just connect a boost controller and up the boost.

Actually it is possible akshay1234, that is why boost controllers are existing.

31st July 2008, 10:26	#61
brraj BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 913 Thanked: 1,280 Times	good info there sameel. By the way we tested 3 peted elantras with Dynolicious software with tadus iphone. We were amazed to see the best results which showed 0-100kmph in 7.35sec. check out post# 18 of this link for the proof. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadget...-iphone-2.html
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31st July 2008, 11:03	#62
sameel BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 268 Thanked: 3 Times	thats cool. so the real world scenario is like 8-8.5 secs[ with box and booster the 0-100kmph would be same~] that mind you guys is as good as VRS!![ we all know 8.5 sec in VRS is only a claim. the best achieved is 8.6xx secs last i remember] . but that too diesel ..hehe dont even think of putting in a BOX in stage 2 setting in Verna with a filter upgrade and stage three clutch
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31st July 2008, 11:25	#63
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Ripper, I have been just too busy to write a report. It should be up and running in about two weeks time. Waiting for my laptop to arrive and some more testing I have in mind. Sameel, the clutch from the embara cannot be used on the elantra. The transmission on the embara is a 6-speed and the clutch assembly is different. But the 6-speed gearbox can be mounted onto the elantra's engine. But it will come at a huge cost. As far as the mods on the elantra's are concerned, you are right about setting safe boost levels. But I have found tremendous difference in the response of the car. I wish I could put up this video of the 3 cars in action to give a clearer picture. Let me try what best I can come up with.
	() Thanks

31st July 2008, 11:49	#64
sameel BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 268 Thanked: 3 Times	yeah i know that . the sonata engine with a VGT makes 33kgm torque that would be best suited with a 6 gear box hence they use a six - speed manual transmission with the clutch specific to that gear box. but then again when you have loads of torque the best bet would be to go in for an additional cog, and yes the sonata gearbox and clutch assembly do can be mounted to the elantra engine .. but that will come at a huge cost.. but still its kind of ok at 80k[ the VGT of sonata costs slightly more ~90k] as far as i know probably lesser in the range of 60-80k rs perhaps[ this includes the whole setup! ..including fixing..]. now i hope you guys know why the mercedes uses a 7g triptronic . there is that much amount of torque . . the best bet would be get a custom stage three clutch. the tough job is to get these for hyundai vehicles. its readily available in korea. even the angel eyes for verna is available in korea but not in India. if anyone is in australia they can help out elantra petrol moding is famous there. they do will be having a clutch custom to the petrol engine and diesel engine. but then again for a one time drives for 100miles that is 160kms, the stock clutch will be okay. and then again no one will use the booster at high stting for continous 100miles. indian roads are not suited for that. so for the time being the stock clutch can be used for the short say probably 40-50km rides i dont think even that is possible in Indian rods. we are talking of mad dashes to 160kmph[this is my safe speed ] in less than 25secs!! that is more than enough and please reaching 200kmph in 30-40secs might sound as fun. but its not what we would call as normal!! so for time being unless you guys plan for continous nonstop usage of boost controllers at high settings, the stock clutch and a better intercooler would be good enough. peace out sameel
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31st July 2008, 11:59	#65
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Sameel, I have looked around almost every place on net to find some stuff for the elantra diesel. None available. Though there are plenty of aftermarket parts available for the petrol elantras. Infact, I know someone in the US who can fabricate a stage 3 clutch for the Elantra Crdi if I can send him the stock set. Now whose going to come forward to pick up one? Also, you are right about the 6 speed tranny. But Hyundai is not selling it off the shelf to any non-embara customers.
	() Thanks

31st July 2008, 13:12	#66
sameel BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: cochin Posts: 268 Thanked: 3 Times	if you do are that particular of the gearbox in the future or so. i might be able to help you source one. from the hyundai guys itself. i do can ask someone with the power to get that gearbox of the sonata for a non-embera customer too . i think it shouldnt be a prob to source it from outside there are dealers in bombay if i am not mistaken. i got myself an AC compressor for ACCENT DLS from bombay following the instrution from hyundai senior manager. he insisted to buy it like that we eneded up saving a huge amount abou 12k rs to be exact. anyways lets set the ball rolling . i am sure there are many hyundai owners here who would like to have an all hyundai tuner unlike peter who is specialised in SKODAS mostly. except for the BOX. in fact i myself had plans to start a pimp your ride garage. but my present line of work doesnt have enough time to start something. so i am now on the path to being an automotive expert. probably an MS in Automotive electronics from Stuttgart university[ in the coming years] in Germany later a PhD too
	() Thanks

31st July 2008, 13:17	#67
prabhuav BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 672 Thanked: 128 Times View My Garage	McLaren, how about the gujri? No Sonata embraeras got totalled ?
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31st July 2008, 14:46	#68
Gangsta BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 624 Thanked: 20 Times	Wow i'm really enjoying the discusion going on, thanx guys for sharing your knowledge about the performance mods. Kuddos cheers: I think i should wait for more discussion then only i should go for the mods.
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 11:22	#69
brraj BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 913 Thanked: 1,280 Times	Great news Myself and satya(cmiuc) planned a trip to mysore at 10pm and we left in his boosted elantra. We were near khodays and satya said he saw some car (we were not knowing what car it is as he had switched on his HIDs) in his RVM driving rashly and overtaking other cars. He came back of us and flashed we give way just to see what car it is. guess what? it was a BMW 530D. We were following it till NICE road by this time satya has already set his boost controller to 21psi. We try to overtake him, he gets the signal and both were pushing their cars to limits. Guess what was the result? both were traveling at same speeds and the car needle was glued to 210kmph, we see barricades and we slow down. This was wonderful moments for us as our elantra can keep up with a BMW 530d till 210kmph. we knew that bmws can do more than that but still what brought smile to us is we could stick to it till 210kmph. Note - It was possible for us to keep up with the BMW 530d just because we had boost controller set to 21psi other wise don't even think of racing with bmw 530D as the pickup is violent in those cars.
	() Thanks

14th October 2008, 11:43	#71
brraj BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 913 Thanked: 1,280 Times	petes box set to stage 2 Green cotton filter Agip synthetic oil Greddy boost controller turbo timer planning for Intercooler
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14th October 2008, 11:43	#72
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,316 Times	the stock elantra internals can handle 21psi? wow. and i didnt think you could just connect a boost controller and up the boost.
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