Safari TCIC Performance mods

sunishsamuel · 27th March 2008, 22:04

Ok don't shout at me for my stupidity. Will the famous OM616 Engine suitable for a safari? The engine is a simple but powerful machine. And spares easily available considering its used in the Tempo Travellers. But then noise is something thats part of it.

Thanks,
Sunish

Ignazio · 28th March 2008, 06:50

Hi all,
my TL is almoust 10 years old and has 119000 km on its shoulders and catcon is still the same as of stock, I am considering it almoust useless, noneless, I pass emission check last May as Euro2. I'll cutting it out asap. Also is totally passive, as the engine is TCIC (now I know, Thanks guys LOL) then no probs.
The FIP is designed to fit a big variety of engines, up to 3 liter displacement ence a lot of room for play is available. It consist of increasing fuel injection time lenght ence the quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder. But to have a regular burning you must have more air, that is why the tuning as to go toghether with the turbo pressure, as this is the only way to achieve a higher air inlet. Intercooler is also something we can play with. Being realistic and practical, the easiest is to water spray the radiator. This may sound complicate but is a quite simple thing to achieve. Go to a scrapyard, buy a windscreen water tank from an old car. Fit the water tank under the bonnet and fix two sprayer on the front of intercooler. Then you can put just a swithch to spray water on demand or stick a thermostat with resin on top and connect it directly to the dc pump in the tank. A thermostat from an old radiator is fine, the ones around 75-80°C are ok. Water does not have to be cooled, as with those temperature the evaporation of water takes a lot of heat off anyway. Those of you living in tropical reagion can easily try. In theory the air density will increase ence a better performance. I haven't tried this yet, but is on the to do list...
I'm planning to make an how-to with pictures of the tuning of pump and turbo on TCIC engine. Very difficult to answer all in once...
Sticked at the bottom some pictures of the filter I have, the one of the right is the original (courtesy of Tata Club Italia)
@condor, Pink Floyd, 1979 The wall Disc 2 "Stop" (you know what I'm talking about, aren't youcheers

Ciao Ciao

Ignazio

condor · 28th March 2008, 08:36

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Ignazio : Sticked at the bottom some pictures of the filter I have, the one of the right is the original (courtesy of Tata Club Italia)

Could you pls share more details of the filter you're using ?

Quote:

Ignazio : @condor, Pink Floyd, 1979 The wall Disc 2 "Stop" (you know what I'm talking about, aren't youcheers

Oh, yes. If I didn't, I will gladly stand in "The Trial" cheers:.

Ignazio · 29th March 2008, 16:23

Hi all,
the filter is very simple, it is made out of Polyurethane foam and normally lubricated with a special oil, which in normal road conditions should last for about 15000-20000 km. Off-roader, of course check earlier.
When it is dirty, you can wash it with a simple paint solvent, re-lubricate it with its oil and job is done. It is made to last forever, it offer an higher filtering surface, then better performances compared to the stock one.
Filter plus oil, enough for around 100000km cost me € 100.

Ciao ciao
cheers:

Ignazio

gd1418 · 29th March 2008, 21:14

Roughly translated, € 100 coverts to Rs.6300/-. Not bad at all, if you look at the kind of prices charged for K&N & Green Cotton filters.

And by paint solvent you mean some kind of acetone solution? Hope this filter doesn't have parts that get damaged by the solvent..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignazio

Hi all,
the filter is very simple, it is made out of Polyurethane foam and normally lubricated with a special oil, which in normal road conditions should last for about 15000-20000 km. Off-roader, of course check earlier.
When it is dirty, you can wash it with a simple paint solvent, re-lubricate it with its oil and job is done. It is made to last forever, it offer an higher filtering surface, then better performances compared to the stock one.
Filter plus oil, enough for around 100000km cost me € 100.

Ciao ciao
cheers:

Ignazio

Ignazio · 29th March 2008, 21:32

Hi

Quote:

Originally Posted by gd1418

Roughly translated, € 100 coverts to Rs.6300/-. Not bad at all, if you look at the kind of prices charged for K&N & Green Cotton filters.

And by paint solvent you mean some kind of acetone solution? Hope this filter doesn't have parts that get damaged by the solvent..

That is correct pricewise, the solvent has to be turpentine essence based, very very common and cheap. any shop has it, it is made to resist that.
BTW it has 3 year warranty!

Ciao!

Ignazio

nitrous · 30th March 2008, 14:21

Fantastic reponse, Ignazio.
how much of a difference does the change in filter element do u feel?

Ignazio · 30th March 2008, 18:04

Hi!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

how much of a difference does the change in filter element do u feel?

Faster response, and bit of better torque at low rpm.
Probably few bhp more, 2-5 max.
I think will become more important and measureable as soon as I change the exhaust system.

Ciao ciao!
cheers:

Ignazio

ibm_jennifer · 12th August 2008, 13:10

Where I can find this Finner Filter? Do you mean Finer Filter?

AVR · 6th October 2009, 23:40

Hey guys,

I know this thread has been quiet for a while but was wondering what people have to say about this:
I am thinking I'll give my Safari a bonnet scoop like the new Scorpio for ensuring cold air intake which for a TCIC engine should make a significant difference?

Has anyone thought about this? Would the improved performance be worth the hassle?

Look forward to hearing from the Gurus

Cheers,
Aditya

Akshay1234 · 6th October 2009, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVR

Would the improved performance be worth the hassle?

i highly doubt it would. to save your energy just use the pipe of the cai and put it as close to the grill as possible.

condor · 30th June 2010, 13:15

Quote:

AVR

: I am thinking I'll give my Safari a bonnet scoop like the new Scorpio for ensuring cold air intake which for a TCIC engine should make a significant difference?

Though an old point :

AVR, this scoop is Not the CAI intake. That scoop only provides additional air on to the engine block to help give a little additional cooling. I am not sure how much you will benefit from this, if it does help.

AVR · 30th June 2010, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by condor

Though an old point :

AVR, this scoop is Not the CAI intake. That scoop only provides additional air on to the engine block to help give a little additional cooling. I am not sure how much you will benefit from this, if it does help.

thanks Condor, Wasn't aware of what it was meant for in the Scorpio. Though I would want to explore that option primarily for colder air intake. Do you think something like this would help? I even like the idea of a water spray on the intercooler as Ignazio suggested. Worth exploring!

Cheers,
Adi

condor · 30th June 2010, 17:04

@AVR, for the cold air intake, there is another discussion (dont rem which thread) where the size of the outlet opening etc has been calculated.

But between the intercooler water-spray + cooling of the engine block, you should gan a little. Like I said, I dont know how much to expect.

27th March 2008, 22:04	#31
sunishsamuel BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: TVM, BLR, HYD Posts: 656 Thanked: 1,112 Times	Ok don't shout at me for my stupidity. Will the famous OM616 Engine suitable for a safari? The engine is a simple but powerful machine. And spares easily available considering its used in the Tempo Travellers. But then noise is something thats part of it. Thanks, Sunish
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28th March 2008, 06:50	#32
Ignazio BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Turin-Italy Posts: 128 Thanked: 3 Times	Hi all, my TL is almoust 10 years old and has 119000 km on its shoulders and catcon is still the same as of stock, I am considering it almoust useless, noneless, I pass emission check last May as Euro2. I'll cutting it out asap. Also is totally passive, as the engine is TCIC (now I know, Thanks guys LOL) then no probs. The FIP is designed to fit a big variety of engines, up to 3 liter displacement ence a lot of room for play is available. It consist of increasing fuel injection time lenght ence the quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder. But to have a regular burning you must have more air, that is why the tuning as to go toghether with the turbo pressure, as this is the only way to achieve a higher air inlet. Intercooler is also something we can play with. Being realistic and practical, the easiest is to water spray the radiator. This may sound complicate but is a quite simple thing to achieve. Go to a scrapyard, buy a windscreen water tank from an old car. Fit the water tank under the bonnet and fix two sprayer on the front of intercooler. Then you can put just a swithch to spray water on demand or stick a thermostat with resin on top and connect it directly to the dc pump in the tank. A thermostat from an old radiator is fine, the ones around 75-80°C are ok. Water does not have to be cooled, as with those temperature the evaporation of water takes a lot of heat off anyway. Those of you living in tropical reagion can easily try. In theory the air density will increase ence a better performance. I haven't tried this yet, but is on the to do list... I'm planning to make an how-to with pictures of the tuning of pump and turbo on TCIC engine. Very difficult to answer all in once... Sticked at the bottom some pictures of the filter I have, the one of the right is the original (courtesy of Tata Club Italia) @condor, Pink Floyd, 1979 The wall Disc 2 "Stop" (you know what I'm talking about, aren't youcheers Ciao Ciao Ignazio Attached Thumbnails
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29th March 2008, 16:23	#34
Ignazio BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Turin-Italy Posts: 128 Thanked: 3 Times	Filter description Hi all, the filter is very simple, it is made out of Polyurethane foam and normally lubricated with a special oil, which in normal road conditions should last for about 15000-20000 km. Off-roader, of course check earlier. When it is dirty, you can wash it with a simple paint solvent, re-lubricate it with its oil and job is done. It is made to last forever, it offer an higher filtering surface, then better performances compared to the stock one. Filter plus oil, enough for around 100000km cost me € 100. Ciao ciao cheers: Ignazio
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30th March 2008, 14:21	#37
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Fantastic reponse, Ignazio. how much of a difference does the change in filter element do u feel?
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12th August 2008, 13:10	#39
ibm_jennifer BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 529 Thanked: 7 Times	Where I can find this Finner Filter? Do you mean Finer Filter?
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6th October 2009, 23:40	#40
AVR BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 978 Thanked: 847 Times View My Garage	Bonnet Scoop for Cold air intake! Hey guys, I know this thread has been quiet for a while but was wondering what people have to say about this: I am thinking I'll give my Safari a bonnet scoop like the new Scorpio for ensuring cold air intake which for a TCIC engine should make a significant difference? Has anyone thought about this? Would the improved performance be worth the hassle? Look forward to hearing from the Gurus Cheers, Aditya
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30th June 2010, 17:04	#44
condor Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Speed-brkr City Posts: 15,864 Thanked: 16,014 Times View My Garage	@AVR, for the cold air intake, there is another discussion (dont rem which thread) where the size of the outlet opening etc has been calculated. But between the intercooler water-spray + cooling of the engine block, you should gan a little. Like I said, I dont know how much to expect.
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