Suggestion needed on Quick shift

vinayvtec · 18th June 2008, 09:05

Hi Team,

Wanted suggestion on the Quick shift for Honda city, I wanted to if there is any sort of disadvantage by installing it. I heard that clutch would go bad soon. Please give me more inputs on quick shift.

Also let me know how much it would cost and which is the best after market quick shift for OHC… I am not sure whether Mugen has quick shift for OHC.

Rehaan · 18th June 2008, 10:09

Vinayvtec,

What exactly are you talking about when you say "quick shift"?

Is it something like this :
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...lat-shift.html

Or are you talking about a short throw shifter? Or some other product i am not aware of?

cya
R

Akshay1234 · 18th June 2008, 10:10

i think he means a short shift.

iceman91 · 18th June 2008, 10:55

A short shift system does not affect the clutch. it is only a shorter linkage system to the gearbox. it reduces the distance of hand moved in changing the gear. Make sure you buy a good short shfter as they could also make shifting harder

Foster · 18th June 2008, 11:58

Short shift install is good much comfortable to hold the gear while driving and gives it a whole new look but dude shifting the gear gets harder!

vinayvtec · 19th June 2008, 02:03

Thank you team for providing the feedback, yes its called Quick shift and also can be called as short shift too, in Mugen language they call it as Quick shift. https://online.mugen-power.com/b2c/

Please let me know which one is best for Hond city and what would be the price tag...

vinayvtec · 19th June 2008, 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rehaan

Vinayvtec,

What exactly are you talking about when you say "quick shift"?

@Rehaan,

If you visit MUGEN official web site and select on parts you will come to know what I am speaking about.. its a small add on for the existing Gear Box, I know why its used and for what... but I dont know whether it will effect the car in any ways... So I am researching on this and want to know which is the best for Honda city...

iceman91 · 19th June 2008, 10:33

You get short/quick shifts in bangalore. the good brands are B&M, Mugen that are available else you also get generic ones which i would personally stay away from. Make sure that its installed properly as if done incorreectly would make driving more difficult rather than easy

Rehaan · 19th June 2008, 10:59

So what you are talking about is a short-throw shifter.

The way it works is simple leverage. The shorter the shifter (the lever) the less distance you will have to move the gearknob end (ie a shorter "throw"). However, the trade-off is that the shorter the lever gets - the more force you will need to apply on the gearknob end to exert the same amount of force within the gearbox (to move the cogs around).

Try before you buy if you can. You dont want to go too short otherwise it will affect the ergonomics of your driving position (left arm will be reaching too far towards the transmission tunnel) and might make shifting more difficult and a pain. There will be no difference to your clutch.

See these threads for other details :
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...t-shifter.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ft-baleno.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...y-corolla.html

cya
R

vinayvtec · 21st June 2008, 13:52

Thanks for reply team... please can you suggest me which B&M or Mugen short shift is compatible with Honda city vtec 2002... even if you can give me the web links it will be great help.. I have some of my friends visiting to US and UK.. I am sure its very cheap in those places than buying on here.. so planning to pick one from there....

Akshay1234 · 21st June 2008, 13:54

ask viper. he used to have one on his ohc but he got rid of it.

Shan2nu · 21st June 2008, 15:25

I really don't think a short shifter can give you considerable gains in acceleration. The OHC comes with a wide ratio gearbox. Shifting at 7100 in 1st brings down the revvs to almost 4100rpm in 2nd. So no matter how quickly you shift gears, the engine still has to drop 3000revvs.

Infact, shifting too fast can cause the wheels to spin while shifting, which will make you slower.

PS : If you wanna see what the stock shifter is capable of, just sit in Wolf's Vtec and watch him go through the gears.

Shan2nu

ajmat · 21st June 2008, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

PS : If you wanna see what the stock shifter is capable of, just sit in Wolf's Vtec and watch him go through the gears.

Shan2nu

Will be interesting to see how Wolf would shift your Vtec!!!!

Shan2nu · 21st June 2008, 15:40

Quote:

Will be interesting to see how Wolf would shift your Vtec!!!!

Both our cars have stock shifters, so it wont make a difference to him. Only diff is that Wolf's engine drops revvs way faster than mine, so his shifting speed will provide a much better result on his car.

Shan2nu

ajmat · 21st June 2008, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmat

Will be interesting to see how Wolf would shift your Vtec!!!!

Actually was referring to Vinay's vtec

18th June 2008, 09:05	#1
vinayvtec BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 390 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Suggestion needed on Quick shift Hi Team, Wanted suggestion on the Quick shift for Honda city, I wanted to if there is any sort of disadvantage by installing it. I heard that clutch would go bad soon. Please give me more inputs on quick shift. Also let me know how much it would cost and which is the best after market quick shift for OHC… I am not sure whether Mugen has quick shift for OHC.
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18th June 2008, 10:09	#2
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	Vinayvtec, What exactly are you talking about when you say "quick shift"? Is it something like this : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...lat-shift.html Or are you talking about a short throw shifter? Or some other product i am not aware of? cya R
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18th June 2008, 10:10	#3
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,317 Times	i think he means a short shift.
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18th June 2008, 10:55	#4
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	A short shift system does not affect the clutch. it is only a shorter linkage system to the gearbox. it reduces the distance of hand moved in changing the gear. Make sure you buy a good short shfter as they could also make shifting harder
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18th June 2008, 11:58	#5
Foster BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 38 Thanked: 0 Times	Short shift install is good much comfortable to hold the gear while driving and gives it a whole new look but dude shifting the gear gets harder!
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19th June 2008, 02:03	#6
vinayvtec BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 390 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Thank you team for providing the feedback, yes its called Quick shift and also can be called as short shift too, in Mugen language they call it as Quick shift. https://online.mugen-power.com/b2c/ Please let me know which one is best for Hond city and what would be the price tag...
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19th June 2008, 10:33	#8
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	You get short/quick shifts in bangalore. the good brands are B&M, Mugen that are available else you also get generic ones which i would personally stay away from. Make sure that its installed properly as if done incorreectly would make driving more difficult rather than easy
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19th June 2008, 10:59	#9
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	So what you are talking about is a short-throw shifter. The way it works is simple leverage. The shorter the shifter (the lever) the less distance you will have to move the gearknob end (ie a shorter "throw"). However, the trade-off is that the shorter the lever gets - the more force you will need to apply on the gearknob end to exert the same amount of force within the gearbox (to move the cogs around). Try before you buy if you can. You dont want to go too short otherwise it will affect the ergonomics of your driving position (left arm will be reaching too far towards the transmission tunnel) and might make shifting more difficult and a pain. There will be no difference to your clutch. See these threads for other details : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...t-shifter.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ft-baleno.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...y-corolla.html cya R Last edited by Rehaan : 19th June 2008 at 11:00.
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21st June 2008, 13:52	#10
vinayvtec BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 390 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Thanks for reply team... please can you suggest me which B&M or Mugen short shift is compatible with Honda city vtec 2002... even if you can give me the web links it will be great help.. I have some of my friends visiting to US and UK.. I am sure its very cheap in those places than buying on here.. so planning to pick one from there....
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21st June 2008, 13:54	#11
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,317 Times	ask viper. he used to have one on his ohc but he got rid of it.
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21st June 2008, 15:25	#12
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 125 Times View My Garage	I really don't think a short shifter can give you considerable gains in acceleration. The OHC comes with a wide ratio gearbox. Shifting at 7100 in 1st brings down the revvs to almost 4100rpm in 2nd. So no matter how quickly you shift gears, the engine still has to drop 3000revvs. Infact, shifting too fast can cause the wheels to spin while shifting, which will make you slower. PS : If you wanna see what the stock shifter is capable of, just sit in Wolf's Vtec and watch him go through the gears. Shan2nu
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