[condor]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

... in my friend's car that has a really expensive llumar sunfilm on the windshield , fastag won't work!

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Pretty normal for the films that have metallic particles in them. The Fastag will not detect due to this.

I have not had issues with Fastag placed behind the Garware Icecool shield Sunfilm.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by condor

I have not had issues with Fastag placed behind the Garware Icecool shield Sunfilm.

The Garware Icecool I believe is not a metalic coated one just regular tinted.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Well I was the amongst the first to get the Garware film for my front windshield in 2012:



I used it till I sold the car in 2014 and I'm currently driving fellow mod Rudra Sen's Optra with 3M CR70 on the front with no issues in day or night driving for few years now.



Pretty normal for the films that have metallic particles in them. The Fastag will not detect due to this.

The windshield is rated at 70% VLT since it is laminated, and then the sun film is rated at 70% VLT as well, so it does reduce visibility as one is on top of the other. I had the misfortune of driving one such vehicle on the Salem highway once, it had an expensive sun film as well.

Thanks for clearing my doubt about Fastag, it's the third one he has ordered, I now am going to make sure that sunfilm is off the windshield.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

The windshield is rated at 70% VLT since it is laminated, and then the sun film is rated at 70% VLT as well, so it does reduce visibility as one is on top of the other. I had the misfortune of driving one such vehicle on the Salem highway once, it had an expensive sun film as well.

Not all windshields are rated at 70%. Even if it is rated at 70%, it actually depends from person to person in terms of visibility. The bigger advantage I noticed was the glare reduction from on coming high beam. So it worked out better with the sun film in the 2 cars.

I think I might actually try this for my ford ecosport just to see how effective it is.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Not all windshields are rated at 70%. Even if it is rated at 70%, it actually depends from person to person in terms of visibility. The bigger advantage I noticed was the glare reduction from on coming high beam. So it worked out better with the sun film in the 2 cars.

I think I might actually try this for my ford ecosport just to see how effective it is.

Glare is due to visible light, so if it is reducing glare it is blocking visible light across the entire windshield reducing visibility.

CMVR mandates 70% VLT, so all laminated windshields confirm to this rule and all car windshields after 96 I think is laminated. All laminated windshield glass block UV to a large extent, adding another layer may have negligible effect.

To draw a parallel - Sun glasses are dark (at least all good ones), they could have sold you a clear one if it blocks everything else except visible light. Since sunglasses were utilized for pilots , I think they had to keep the marketing honest.

I learned this the hard way - My first car(used) came with window film everywhere except the front, I did not know that the windshield had a film, it was installed that well (Car was from Cochin). But after upgrading the headlamp, I realized that something is amiss, thankfully the mechanic was able to figure this out and showed me the film upfront that was slowing me down at night.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Glare is due to visible light, so if it is reducing glare it is blocking visible light across the entire windshield reducing visibility.

Yup it does reduce visible light. You can see that from the specs posted by Condor as well.

But like I said for some it is an issue at night whereas for others it ain't. Having used 3M and Garware on front windshield and my other car without the film, I don't find any difference in visibility at night but prefer the lesser glare of the oncoming lights with the film.

Plus my car is parked in the sun during the day at work so that protects a little more.

CMVR mandates 70% VLT, so all laminated windshields confirm to this rule and all car windshields after 96 I think is laminated. All laminated windshield glass block UV to a large extent, adding another layer may have negligible effect.

Not really; you get 80-85% VLT as well. CMVR says you cannot below 70% VLT. You are free to have more.

For example my Toyota has ~80% VLT as printed on windshield.

To draw a parallel - Sun glasses are dark (at least all good ones), they could have sold you a clear one if it blocks everything else except visible light. Since sunglasses were utilized for pilots , I think they had to keep the marketing honest.

But they are dark for looks and because dark is what you need in bright light to reduce strain on eyes. If sun glasses were not tinted they wouldn't block the light which is what you need for your eyes. The UV and glare is possible now in clear glasses. I use Zeiss drive safe clear lenses which even have blue light filter and reduced glare for night driving. But when driving under the hot sun need the sun glasses.

Also, Please check the last 150 pages We have been through the front sunfilm good or bad discussion quote a few times and it has always had 2 sides to it. Some people find it useful and others can't get used to it.

[coldice4u]

Does anyone know of reliable accessory shops in South West Delhi for sunfilm installation. Planning to go for all 4 windows and windscreen before north India heats up!

The Garware Icecool green 70 and grey 80 variants are the ones to go for, if we go by the specs. They have almost a 40% heat reduction which should be good enough. Attaching the official PDF from Garware for reference.

Also do we have someone like Shreyas in NCR or any official installer who can come over and do the job at my home ? I went through the TBHP directory for NCR but couldn't see any accessory references.

[theautoman]

Sir, I wish to get Garware IcecoolShield for my car windshield, can you pleases recommend me a good place in Bangalore where I can get the Installation done.

[TorqueyTechie]

Originally Posted by theautoman

Sir, I wish to get Garware IcecoolShield for my car windshield, can you pleases recommend me a good place in Bangalore where I can get the Installation done.

I got one installed by one Mr.Shreyas. His team comes home and installs it at your place itself (as long as they can connect to a power socket). Will pm you his details.

[NAK]

Originally Posted by TorqueyTechie

I got one installed by one Mr.Shreyas. His team comes home and installs it at your place itself (as long as they can connect to a power socket). Will pm you his details.

Can you please PM me his details as well ? And how much is the price difference compared to 3M?

[shijanto4]

Originally Posted by NAK

Can you please PM me his details as well ? And how much is the price difference compared to 3M?

In Bengaluru, Shreyas is the best person for this. I got Garware icecool shield for front windshield and RS30 for all sides and rear done by him in April 2017 and haven't had any complaints for about two years now. More than the product, I would recommend based on workmanship of the two guys (don't remember their names) who do this job for Shreyas; they are the best. I had also inquired 3M at that time, and compared to 3M pricing, the difference was about 50%. Can contact Shreyas on 9986502625 for specific details. Thanks.

[VineetG]

Just got Sunfilm installed on my car. VKOOL VK70, all over including all windows, windshield and back.
Job was done at home, installation looks very good. No bubbles, defects etc.

If anyone wants to get it done in Del NCR, pls pm me for contact

[OverKill]

Caution - Sunfilms are banned by the RTO, I do not encourage anyone to break any rules.
No matter what the accessory guy/installer says, no type of films are allowed on the side windows of any type of vehicles.

Special thanks to Bhpian miharbe, catchdoon & other Bhpians on the Mumbai whatsapp group who pointed me out to a very friendly accessory guy Mr. Shekar from Milan Subway, Santacruz, Mumbai. He specialises in wraps/sunfilm/interior work etc. He has worked on lot of celebrity cars too.
Initially I thought I would get it installed at any of the 3M stores, but after knowing their prices I almost fainted. It was in the tune of 35k for the entire car. But got it done in less than half of that cost through Shekhar.

With that out of the way. I never had any type of sunfilms on any of my previous cars, so never faced any problems when the sunfilm ban was mandated by the RTO.

I always liked the idea of a white car and black tints.
So when I bought the Creta in December 2018, the itch to install tints started. How much ever I liked jet black tints, It's just not sensible to have them on your car. It simply hampers night time visibility causing danger to yourself and other road users.

After going through various reviews here and other sites I zeroed in on the 3M Crystalline 70 film.

Specification as per google.


It's a very straightforward and simple job, provided the installer knows what he is doing. As we know Mumbai summers are almost upon us, I thought now is the right time to get it done.

3M CR70 films allow 70% of light to pass through making it almost invisible to the layman and giving the glass a greenish effect. But the reason they are expensive is that they resist 99% UV rays. Which results in keeping the cabin much cooler, when the car is parked under direct sunlight, thus increasing the AC to cool much faster and perform well even with the Aircon set at 24.C while outside temperature is around 35.C

Some pics during installation.

Taking measurements for a precise cut out.


Front windscreen cut out.


Applying on the front windscreen.




Applying on the driver window.


Rear windscreen with the films on.


3M logo on the films.


Applying on the rear right window.


Rear windscreen after installation.


After the installation was finished, this is with the magnetic sunshade + sunfilm.


Magnetic sunshade + sunfilm.


Magnetic sunshade + sunfilm.


Close up magnetic sunshade + sunfilm.


Magnetic sunshade + sunfilm.


Only sunfilm.


Only sunfilm.


Do note that the interior of the Creta is almost black, which also makes the glasses look much darker than they actually are.
Now a days the new in thing is that the sunfilms are installed on the edge of the glass compared to earlier where they used to leave a tiny border where the glass would come in contact with the door.

Exact size of the glass, zero border.


Even though its on the edge of the glass, when you try and look closely you can see a very thin border.

Immediately on the drive back home at around 2pm, I could easily make out the difference. I could concentrate on the road better even without my sunshades on. A big thumbs up to that.

Now for the best part. We live in a high beam loving country, where perpetually everyone on the street is riding/driving on high beams.
Now after installing the film on the front windscreen the night drives have become a bit easier, as the glare isn't much inside the cabin. Makes driving in the night a tad bit easier.

Reference image.




Conclusion - It is a really good product and solves the purpose completely. But in the long run if I don't face any trouble with the Police then and only then it will be 100% worth it. But that depends on my luck too.
Fingers Crossed.

[ashishk29]

Got CR70 fit on my front windscreen over the weekend. Cost me about 10k (They said that Honda Jazz takes an XL sized film).


- Heat reduction is really great! The effect is very noticeable. Summer is going to be a breeze now!
- Need some more night drives to notice the anti-glare effect.
- Definitely no change in phone signal or GPS (Since this film does not use metal particles).
- Visibility is largely unhindered. It's barely noticeable.
- Got the 3M care guy to wipe off the 3M logo






I'm really impressed by how much heat it blocks out without even being noticeable!

[sanchari]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

They said that Honda Jazz takes an XL sized film

I have a Jazz too and looking for films to block out the Hyderabad sun. How much will CR70 cost for all windows? Did you get only the windscreen done for your Jazz?