3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite

sagarpadaki · 24th December 2010, 11:05

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

Hello guys. After going through almost the whole thread, i am even more confused. Please help me. I am getting my car delivered today. I do not want the dealer to do the "Teflon" which actually is according to them, 3M Paint Protection coating. I contacted Car Palace, Trivandrum, which is supposed to be a reputed car accessories shop here. They claim to have original Dupont Teflon coating. Should i go for it? Or should i stick on to some good wax which i shall apply once in 4 months or so? If so, which brand can i go for? Also, is it better to get the underbody protection coating done from the dealership or outside? The dealer is quoting Rs.2500 with a warranty of 2 years. Please enlighten me!

Teflon coating is just a hogwash.This much you should have realized after reading through this forum.See a new car has enough shine and 3M wont do any difference to it.I suggest you buy a good wax and wash and wax your car every month.That would be more than sufficient.You can go for 3M treatment after a year

freakmuzik · 25th December 2010, 00:10

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Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Teflon coating is just a hogwash.This much you should have realized after reading through this forum.See a new car has enough shine and 3M wont do any difference to it.I suggest you buy a good wax and wash and wax your car every month.That would be more than sufficient.You can go for 3M treatment after a year

Thank you. So I will do just waxing right now. And btw, which brand is better in the case of wax? And will waxing help in easier removal of bird droppings, etc?

sagarpadaki · 25th December 2010, 11:02

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

Thank you. So I will do just waxing right now. And btw, which brand is better in the case of wax? And will waxing help in easier removal of bird droppings, etc?

The waxes you normally get here are formula1 and turtle wax.they are not that good.The Formula1 has a lot of fakes.Best bet is turtle wax.

If u want pure wax then buy collinite 845 from BBimpex
www.bringingbest.com, New Delhi, India

If you have someone comng from the US then you can get the meguiars tech wax or collinite from there.it works out way cheaper

To some extent waxing helps because it forms a layer of protection between your car paint and the environment.You can remove dirt easily

RemingtonSteele · 25th December 2010, 12:19

Let me try to summarise and reduce the confusion. I am posting the same earlier information with a bit of know-how in correct order.

1) Teflon coating is just a hogwash, so just forget it.

2) Antirust/underbody treatment is not needed unless you stay in coastal areas, optionally you can forget it.

3) For Paint Protection use only good reputed brands like Meguire, Pinnacle, 3M, Collinite, Dodo, Klasse etc. (there are many products, refer below threads for more accurate product results and information).

As Nirmal said earlier the basic steps that needs to follow for Best results are

Washing - with car shampoo to remove all dirt & dust
Claying - To remove the above surface bonded contaminants (tree sap, bird poo, brake dust, etc)
Compounding - To remove deeper scratches, swirl marks
Polish/Cleaner wax - To clean & nourish the paint
Sealant - To seal the paint & protect it from the elements with a shine !
Wax/Insulator Wax - provide gloss & depth

Just to cut the discussion short, if you dont want to be taken for ride in Surface and Paint protection then refer the following threads for more information & product details.
Also checkout results posted by various individuals after advice from detailing Guru's.

These high quality threads which will give you all the know-how are

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...edge-home.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ite-845-a.html

Not to forget Sohail99, Nirmaljusdoit, MKH are the local T-BHP Gurus of Surface & Paint treatment though they modestly claim not be so; believe me when they say a word its a word from Bible in context with Surface & Paint protection.

Last but not the least all these cost a fraction if you compare the ammount of product consumedin the process than paying outside. Most of these tasks can be carried out by hand (i.e. without machine) with couple of hours of efforts. If you are passionate in this then you will really enjoy it doing youself and then watch the dazzeling results later.

raghu230506 · 25th December 2010, 13:08

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Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

If you have someone comng from the US then you can get the meguiars tech wax or collinite from there.it works out way cheaper

Meg Tech WAX is available in 3M exclusive shop in HSR Layout.

sagarpadaki · 25th December 2010, 13:59

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Originally Posted by raghu230506

Meg Tech WAX is available in 3M exclusive shop in HSR Layout.

But he stays in trivandrum raghu!

raghu230506 · 25th December 2010, 18:25

Iam just giving him an option of getting them
From bangalore rather than shipping it from US

freakmuzik · 25th December 2010, 22:05

@sagarpadaki, RemingtonSteele and @raghu230506 : Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Let me see if anyone i know can help me get the Meg Tech Wax!Someone whom i know should be living at least in Bangalore.

I should not have done the body treatment in my Nano. Have not observed anything great after the treatment. And waxing the car would also give me a good exercise isn't it?

I surely have to thank you once again.

sagarpadaki · 26th December 2010, 09:50

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

@sagarpadaki, RemingtonSteele and @raghu230506 : Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Let me see if anyone i know can help me get the Meg Tech Wax!Someone whom i know should be living at least in Bangalore.

I should not have done the body treatment in my Nano. Have not observed anything great after the treatment. And waxing the car would also give me a good exercise isn't it?

I surely have to thank you once again.

Yes washing and waxing your car will not only be a good exercise but also will give you immense satisfaction.

RemingtonSteele · 28th December 2010, 15:07

Just finished with detailing of my taffeta white ANHC.

Process followed (All by hand):
0) Plain water wash.
1) Trutle Wax Platinum Series Performance Car wash.
2) Claying (meguiars clay kit).
3) Paint Sealent - Meguiars NXT TechWax2.0 (2 coats - in between curing time of 12 hours).
4) Insulator Wax - Collinite (2 coats - in between curing time of 12 hours).

Worked on each panel-by-panel and all this took me over one week.

Before continuing with between steps the car was cleaned with plain water wash or sometimes just California duster.

Please checkout the pics in the post
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ml#post2189204

Parm · 6th January 2011, 00:12

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Originally Posted by nowwhat?

Recently I started feeling that the gloss that was there on my Polo when I received it was diminishing day by day. The car looked a lot duller after only a couple of weeks even though I had been using the Jopasu duster and the car had only been washed twice the entire time.

a job done in a very unprofessional manner. the paint sealant applied in an uncontrolled environment!

i do not have any doubts on the Waxoyl product, but the way it was done in an open area, shows the professionalism of the Orange care!

anyway can you guys guess whats in this photo? it was a test vehicle we did for a honda dealer.

nirmaljusdoit · 6th January 2011, 07:34

Wow Parm !

This is a lovely pic

Can you please elaborate what is the process followed ? Was it treatment done for a new car ?

Parm · 7th January 2011, 01:39

hi nirmal,

thanks for the appreciation on the job.

well i cant really disclose what the process is to make a car shine like that, but whatever the process does is in front of you.

we have special chemicals and a certain process is followed to use those chemicals. these chemicals are not DIY, but professional use only.

here are few more from my training to toyota kuwait.

you can actually see the high level of gloss and shine after the treatment.

Ashutosh30 · 13th January 2011, 15:24

Jopasu car care systems based in Pune have an exterior treatment program, what they call as the 'Ultracoat Plan'.Have any fellow Bhpians based in Pune tried it out ? Appreciate your experience/inputs about the same.I recently bought a pre-owned car, which is not in a bad shape cosmetically, but has gone through the normal abuse that our climate/traffic conditions impart to a 3 year old vehicle and was thinking of pampering it with a 'facial' ! The Jopasu plan sounds technically correct going through the sequence of wash and dry - clay if required - rubbing compound used for minor to moderate scratches -machine polish with ploymer fortified polish - and then the final ultracoat applied which is a P.T.F.E. fortified paint sealant with antistatic polymer to give the final deep shine.Gurus / members who have had experience with Jopasu, request your advice/inputs before proceeding on above.

amit_mechengg · 26th January 2011, 00:01

^^ go for it. very good products. i am using the ultracoat.

25th December 2010, 12:19	#139
RemingtonSteele BHPian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Pune Posts: 596 Thanked: 263 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite Let me try to summarise and reduce the confusion. I am posting the same earlier information with a bit of know-how in correct order. 1) Teflon coating is just a hogwash, so just forget it. 2) Antirust/underbody treatment is not needed unless you stay in coastal areas, optionally you can forget it. 3) For Paint Protection use only good reputed brands like Meguire, Pinnacle, 3M, Collinite, Dodo, Klasse etc. (there are many products, refer below threads for more accurate product results and information). As Nirmal said earlier the basic steps that needs to follow for Best results are Washing - with car shampoo to remove all dirt & dust Claying - To remove the above surface bonded contaminants (tree sap, bird poo, brake dust, etc) Compounding - To remove deeper scratches, swirl marks Polish/Cleaner wax - To clean & nourish the paint Sealant - To seal the paint & protect it from the elements with a shine ! Wax/Insulator Wax - provide gloss & depth Just to cut the discussion short, if you dont want to be taken for ride in Surface and Paint protection then refer the following threads for more information & product details. Also checkout results posted by various individuals after advice from detailing Guru's. These high quality threads which will give you all the know-how are http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...edge-home.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ite-845-a.html Not to forget Sohail99, Nirmaljusdoit, MKH are the local T-BHP Gurus of Surface & Paint treatment though they modestly claim not be so; believe me when they say a word its a word from Bible in context with Surface & Paint protection. Last but not the least all these cost a fraction if you compare the ammount of product consumedin the process than paying outside. Most of these tasks can be carried out by hand (i.e. without machine) with couple of hours of efforts. If you are passionate in this then you will really enjoy it doing youself and then watch the dazzeling results later. Last edited by RemingtonSteele : 25th December 2010 at 12:28.
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25th December 2010, 18:25	#142
raghu230506 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 766 Thanked: 63 Times View My Garage	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite Iam just giving him an option of getting them From bangalore rather than shipping it from US
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25th December 2010, 22:05	#143
freakmuzik BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 620 Thanked: 1,342 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite @sagarpadaki, RemingtonSteele and @raghu230506 : Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Let me see if anyone i know can help me get the Meg Tech Wax!Someone whom i know should be living at least in Bangalore. I should not have done the body treatment in my Nano. Have not observed anything great after the treatment. And waxing the car would also give me a good exercise isn't it? I surely have to thank you once again.
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28th December 2010, 15:07	#145
RemingtonSteele BHPian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Pune Posts: 596 Thanked: 263 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite Just finished with detailing of my taffeta white ANHC. Process followed (All by hand): 0) Plain water wash. 1) Trutle Wax Platinum Series Performance Car wash. 2) Claying (meguiars clay kit). 3) Paint Sealent - Meguiars NXT TechWax2.0 (2 coats - in between curing time of 12 hours). 4) Insulator Wax - Collinite (2 coats - in between curing time of 12 hours). Worked on each panel-by-panel and all this took me over one week. Before continuing with between steps the car was cleaned with plain water wash or sometimes just California duster. Please checkout the pics in the post http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ml#post2189204 Last edited by RemingtonSteele : 28th December 2010 at 15:10.
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6th January 2011, 07:34	#147
nirmaljusdoit BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 833 Thanked: 673 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite Wow Parm ! This is a lovely pic Can you please elaborate what is the process followed ? Was it treatment done for a new car ?
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7th January 2011, 01:39	#148
Parm Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a Toyota! Posts: 2,753 Thanked: 890 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite hi nirmal, thanks for the appreciation on the job. well i cant really disclose what the process is to make a car shine like that, but whatever the process does is in front of you. we have special chemicals and a certain process is followed to use those chemicals. these chemicals are not DIY, but professional use only. here are few more from my training to toyota kuwait. you can actually see the high level of gloss and shine after the treatment. Attached Thumbnails
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13th January 2011, 15:24	#149
Ashutosh30 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pune. Posts: 11 Thanked: 6 Times	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite Jopasu car care systems based in Pune have an exterior treatment program, what they call as the 'Ultracoat Plan'.Have any fellow Bhpians based in Pune tried it out ? Appreciate your experience/inputs about the same.I recently bought a pre-owned car, which is not in a bad shape cosmetically, but has gone through the normal abuse that our climate/traffic conditions impart to a 3 year old vehicle and was thinking of pampering it with a 'facial' ! The Jopasu plan sounds technically correct going through the sequence of wash and dry - clay if required - rubbing compound used for minor to moderate scratches -machine polish with ploymer fortified polish - and then the final ultracoat applied which is a P.T.F.E. fortified paint sealant with antistatic polymer to give the final deep shine.Gurus / members who have had experience with Jopasu, request your advice/inputs before proceeding on above.
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26th January 2011, 00:01	#150
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,487 Thanked: 2,251 Times View My Garage	Re: 3M Paint Protection V/s Waxoyl V/s Dupont Teflon V/s Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite ^^ go for it. very good products. i am using the ultracoat.
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