Vdiatech, personally i feel you should tone down....a lot, both, in your posts about a product and the person who has fabricated/supplied/stocked it. Starting a product review and then going full on about the person who supplied it is not in my opinion in any way related to a product review.
I will address some points which you have raised and will attempt to analyse them, at all times, at the risk of being branded a "Mouthpiece" in your terms, if it is not agreeable to you. Please all, this is a neutral post as i have got a lot of work done by Viper and have nee satisfied always. That does not mean he is right here too. What i read is what i know.
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Originally Posted by vdiatech Hello, my long pending review of the VIPER Performance FFE for my Opel Corsa. |
My friend, take a good look at your thread. When giving a review about a product, good or bad, stick to that. Without, saying whether your experience was right or wrong, you seem to easily cross the thin line between a product review and character assassination of the supplier/manufacturere/stockist. Refrain from such posts please and kindly preserve the sanctity of the thread and more importantly the forum.
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I deffered posting the review, hoping to get a slight refund of atleast 2-3K for the issues I faced and ending the review stating that a slight refund was given. But I have been ignored totally.
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Originally Posted by vdiatech Hi Samurai, well if JIGNESH would make good for the money I spent in excess ( for the faulty workmanship) and Stress I went through and the sub-standard headers then I would most certainly speak to him. |
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Also, After showing it to two fabricators in Chennai, it is of their opinion that the making costs of these were under 7K. Iam not debating the price, I agreed to a price and I am not moaning about the profit they made. Just that, they could have given me a slight refund. |
From your above posts it is certain you are sore about a product you received and want nothing less than monetary compensation for it. Please read the above underlined text. That is your main peeve. You want compensation only in form of money. Most products have a money back guarantee, that is, if you dont tamper with them. That goes for a regular car too. Try putting in after market headers in your car and if something goes wrong with anything unrelated, your warranty is void. Im sure you are aware of that.
Let us imagine you go to Levi's and get a ready made pair of jeans. Upon coming home you realise they do not fit you so instead of asking Levi's to replace/alter/change them, being the impatient soul you have yourself agreed to being, ask a tailor to fit it right. Now its gone worse, so you trot to Levi's and ask them to change your Jeans or refund your money back. I dont think Levi's is going to oblige. In fact they ought not to.
Going by the same principle (now someone please dont get into... "Jeans and cars are not the same thing", the situation is similar.
Basically you are cheezed off that you are not being compensated with money, thats what i can gather from your posts. The product you received, was substandard according to you, well you have not helped in proving it.
Dissecting it, cutting and re welding etc etc is not what you should have done. How are you so sure that the leaks were not initiated at this point?
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The only reason I did not speak to him then ( as in email ) is because he would not admit a few things and I am not someone to argue |
So you think now hes admitting it? What you have done by insisting on express communication is, opened your cards in front of everyone.
You agree he called you so many times, you admit you didnt answer him, so who is at fault?
Im not protecting the FFE, not saying it was good, nor bad but there are rules to follow and a decorum of doing things, you have broken them and cannot expect to be compensated for goods spoilt by you.
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Now, I dont have the will to go back stock to use my car Its too much of an exercise.
I am saving up for automech headers. Local tuners dont want to do just the headers. |
Why dont they want to do that?
South India is IMHO the Mecca of Mods. Most tuners, fabricators etc whom i really respect are from that part.
I will not comment on what quote you received from your city viz a viz what you got from Viper Performance, as thats their problem and your problem but later commenting that it must have cost X amount shows the pettiness of the person. Not only was he irritated that you got a better deal, he probably also wanted to justify his high price.
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Originally Posted by vdiatech I swear, I did not blackmail anyone.
Thats when I had to tell him that I will post my review that will only spoil his reputation ( and that I did not have to lie, just posting my experience would do ! ) I was hoping that atleast then he would take notice of my concern. Even now, I have not slagged him off, I have only posted my experience ! |
SO you are saying that you would not say anything (or say good things) about his product if he compensates you monetorily else you
spoil his reputation, right?
Blackmail is a harsh word, agreed but it certainly seems like you are giving him the option of spilling the beans if he does not comply to your demands. What can we call this then.....???....... Extortion, Coercion, Pressurise, Victimize, what would you word it as? Sorry buddy no amount of frustration can make your above statement sound civilized
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Kindly PM me your email ID's and I will forward you all the emails. I dont need to justify to his friends, mouth pieces. anybody Neutral, i will forward to. !
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And who is going to decide who is neutral? I dont think anyone is bothered with the exchange of emails between you and Viper. You say you have already emailed the mods, copies of the conversation, so let the mods decide. In the meanwhile stay and see what happens.
What we are concerned here as members is that you have chosen the forum to further your intentions, not a good idea.
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I rest my case here I cant deal with replying to his friends, mouth pices. If Jiggy wants , let him email me himself ! I will reply toa nybody thats neutral and does not have a closed mind ! |
Please rest your case. After saying that you have been constantly posting regarding the same issue. Leave it and try to be more circumspect in the future. Because the mods and most people here have an open mind, that this topic is being discussed here. Let the discussion be graceful. You cant force anyone to pay up.
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I am not dumb enough to beleive some installer blindly, being a DIY enthusiast, I know a few things too
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I am sure, no calculation involved. Just bending pipes so the headers would sit in engine bay. In my case, even that went wrong!
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Being a "DIY guy" yourself as you claim, why didnt you bend the so called pipes yourself Mr. DIY.
Your DIY knowledge is questionable as if you are do DIY savvy you should have known the problems that would have to be faced and would not be reliant on the diagnosis, whether right or wrong, of someone in your city. Then You choose to behave defiant and not take calls. IMHO if you would have taken the call, there is a chance Viper could have explained to you or your installer on how to go about it. But no. Then how can you blame the product or the person. Presuming even,that the product was faulty, why did you butcher it?
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also please note that like i claimed in my review, a lot of issues were noticed only post installation and my cost went up. I went ahead with the installation because it was a simple 2 minute job . Its the leak, heat, ac pipe issues.
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Nothing is a two minute job my friend.
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Originally Posted by vdiatech points 3 and 4
3, oil filter , balance rod removed
4, this was the bend that would have prevented the pipes from going under the sump. The FFE from Viper has over 4 bends and I think this was the most crucial bend ! Quote:
also please note that like i claimed in my review, a lot of issues were noticed only post installation and my cost went up. I went ahead with the installation because it was a simple 2 minute job . Its the leak, heat, ac pipe issues.
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People who tell me, I should have sent it back, waited etc. Guys , it took 22 days for the faulty FFE. now how much more time to wait for a replacement ! |
You should have known the issues since you claim to not trust your installer blindly being a DIY guy yourself.
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Originally Posted by vdiatech posted them on automech vs viper FFE thread and also sent to viper himself ! most certainly the installer here is not taking me for a ride. I have known him from his bro days . and I was there for over 3 hours. again, its not just the fitment...the leaks...ac pipes...
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Is there a chance your installer bungled up and conveniently blamed the product? Maybe he was trying to teach you a lesson for not buying from him? He should have left it alone the moment he realised the fit was not correct. The leaks could have been the result of his tampering and butchering the product. Moreover he can not pass the buck to another person for the a/c pipe and gas leakage.
Any idiot would know that since its not a bolt on fit, these things will occur. How is it that the product caused the a/c leaks. Did header attach itself or did someone actually try to push the headers past the pipes, eventually causing them to crack or develop the leak. The a/c leak is caused by your trusted guy who didn't bother what damage he caused. The product was not from him so??!!
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Originally Posted by ex670c Hi Narayan,
What DIY experiments and mods have you tried?
You seemed to have made some very critical errors.
1) Getting an FFE from out of town.....hell we are in CHENNAI (Motorcity/Detroit of INDIA)
2) Do further modification of the Viper FFE to make it fit. (DIY or not what makes you think he will take it back after you cut it up, and now you cannot prove that the mistake was from viper's end, no one will believe it.)
Regards,
Arka
PS - Its better to know or not to know at all, this knowing a few things screws everything up. |
Beautifully put Arka. Couldn't have worded it better myself.
Its your fault majorly. Im not saying that the product was good. It is a possibility that the headers were not sized up but then messing with the product and refusing to answer calls from the supplier who is ready to probably replace or correct?
IMHO, you have handled this very badly and have no one to blame but yourself, least of all the product or Viper.
As many have advised you, your only option of resolving this is by calling Viper and speaking to him, not threatening him or in any other way but making him see your viewpoint, I dont se this being resolved otherwise, definately not by your threatening attitude.