Improving Zen MPFI brakes by fitting an Esteem Type II brake booster etc

Trust_In_Thrust · 23rd May 2010, 21:39

I have a 2003 Zen MPFi .I hate its brakes .They are really very poor , Below 80-90 kmph they are fine .Above 100 they progressively loose out and i hate burning the clutch each time for decent stops.So i have decided to fit in the Esteem Type II brakes booster to start with .
I am posting a pic of Esteem Type II brake booster .
Can anyone say will it be a direct fit or any changes i need to make .
This is for now .If this suffices my requirements then fine else i will have to swap the discs and other stuff from Esteem type II .(What other stuff ? Please clarify)

MODS : I have read complete Zen threads but unable to get a clear answer to this .

scorpian · 24th May 2010, 08:23

am planning to do the same,but just not getting the right information and direction even from such a big forum in which this must have been done by so many with swapped esteem engines in zen.Maybe its a secret

i did cut my discs and they have improved the braking but yes on high speed they do not inspire confidence and are a sure shot remedy for a crash,if you do happen to find the info pls let me know as well.

Trust_In_Thrust · 24th May 2010, 09:25

@scorpian : From what all i have read before here i have never read a clear reply .Some say type II swap , Some say get ZenD brakes or a mixture of these.

Hope this time someone replies in clear terms.

scorpian · 26th May 2010, 20:41

have pmed u the required info

Trust_In_Thrust · 27th May 2010, 09:26

@scorpian : Thanks a lot .I am putting faith in you and will get the booster fitted coming weekend.Also do you know will the acc cable in firewall will need to re-routed or even with the Type II booster it will work .
Rest all will have to wait as recently fitted new 12inch tyres .And i believe to swap the discs rim should be 13inch.

harsha.cs1 · 27th May 2010, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpian

have pmed u the required info

Dear Scorpian and Trust,
Would it be possible for you to please share the info on the thread itself. I too am very interested in getting the same done for my Zen.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Harsha

SirAlec · 27th May 2010, 16:43

Zen brakes are fine and adequate. It may be a case related to your car only. Instead of such retro fit, just get it checked properly.

How much kms has your car run.?

scorpian · 27th May 2010, 17:02

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ok ..

@thrust,
I think u will need to drill another hole and pass the cable through that,its not a big deal,just make the hole pass the cable and use sum rubber adhesive to keep the heat away....

parts rquired for the swap are...

1)type 2 brake booster assembly.
2)type 2 callipers
3)type 2 ventilated discs...
4)type 2 hubs.

i got this info froma reputed tuner and have reconfirmed the same with his mechanic who does the fitment....

regards,
manoj....

black12rr · 27th May 2010, 17:03

@thrust , please take pictures when work in process and also the parts .

.

harsha.cs1 · 29th May 2010, 11:20

Thanks Scorpian - this is useful!

heavy_foot · 29th May 2010, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpian

ok ..

@thrust,
I think u will need to drill another hole and pass the cable through that,its not a big deal,just make the hole pass the cable and use sum rubber adhesive to keep the heat away....

parts rquired for the swap are...

1)type 2 brake booster assembly.
2)type 2 callipers
3)type 2 ventilated discs...
4)type 2 hubs.

i got this info froma reputed tuner and have reconfirmed the same with his mechanic who does the fitment....

regards,
manoj....

Thank you, we now have some clarity about the parts required.

Quote:

Originally Posted by black12rr

@thrust , please take pictures when work in process and also the parts .

.

Please do this. Although many guys have done this swap, it would be first time some one is documenting it.

SirAlec · 29th May 2010, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpian

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ok ..

@thrust,
I think u will need to drill another hole and pass the cable through that,its not a big deal,just make the hole pass the cable and use sum rubber adhesive to keep the heat away....

parts rquired for the swap are...

1)type 2 brake booster assembly.
2)type 2 callipers
3)type 2 ventilated discs...
4)type 2 hubs.

i got this info froma reputed tuner and have reconfirmed the same with his mechanic who does the fitment....

regards,
manoj....

why do you need to change so many things. especially calipers and hubs.

Trust_In_Thrust · 29th May 2010, 16:49

@siralec : The Esteem type II discs are thicker than Zen's .So the Zen calliper cannot be used on those so the new calliper of Esteem type II are required .
Regarding hubs I believe the PCD of the Discs is different in Esteem to those of Zen's so with type II discs you need Type II hubs.Also note that PCD of wheel/tyre is same though.
Also with these items we need the 13inch rims as 12inches will be small.
This is what i have been told but hope some one can confirm this.

nitrous · 29th May 2010, 18:02

Tip: Use KBX (white and blue box) brake pads.
The MGP pads (made by TVS-Girling) fade like crazy.

Mpower · 29th May 2010, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trust_In_Thrust

@siralec : The Esteem type II discs are thicker than Zen's.

Is that because type1 is solid and type-II is vented.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

Tip: Use KBX (white and blue box) brake pads.
The MGP pads (made by TVS-Girling) fade like crazy.

Fade on the street or track? Is KBX semi-metallic?

23rd May 2010, 21:39	#1
Trust_In_Thrust BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 768 Thanked: 349 Times	Improving Zen MPFI brakes by fitting an Esteem Type II brake booster etc I have a 2003 Zen MPFi .I hate its brakes .They are really very poor , Below 80-90 kmph they are fine .Above 100 they progressively loose out and i hate burning the clutch each time for decent stops.So i have decided to fit in the Esteem Type II brakes booster to start with . I am posting a pic of Esteem Type II brake booster . Can anyone say will it be a direct fit or any changes i need to make . This is for now .If this suffices my requirements then fine else i will have to swap the discs and other stuff from Esteem type II .(What other stuff ? Please clarify) MODS : I have read complete Zen threads but unable to get a clear answer to this . Attached Thumbnails
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24th May 2010, 08:23	#2
scorpian BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: GOA Posts: 824 Thanked: 1,186 Times View My Garage	am planning to do the same,but just not getting the right information and direction even from such a big forum in which this must have been done by so many with swapped esteem engines in zen.Maybe its a secret i did cut my discs and they have improved the braking but yes on high speed they do not inspire confidence and are a sure shot remedy for a crash,if you do happen to find the info pls let me know as well.
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24th May 2010, 09:25	#3
Trust_In_Thrust BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 768 Thanked: 349 Times	@scorpian : From what all i have read before here i have never read a clear reply .Some say type II swap , Some say get ZenD brakes or a mixture of these. Hope this time someone replies in clear terms.
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26th May 2010, 20:41	#4
scorpian BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: GOA Posts: 824 Thanked: 1,186 Times View My Garage	@ thrust have pmed u the required info
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27th May 2010, 09:26	#5
Trust_In_Thrust BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 768 Thanked: 349 Times	@scorpian : Thanks a lot .I am putting faith in you and will get the booster fitted coming weekend.Also do you know will the acc cable in firewall will need to re-routed or even with the Type II booster it will work . Rest all will have to wait as recently fitted new 12inch tyres .And i believe to swap the discs rim should be 13inch. Last edited by Trust_In_Thrust : 27th May 2010 at 09:27.
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27th May 2010, 16:43	#7
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	Zen brakes are fine and adequate. It may be a case related to your car only. Instead of such retro fit, just get it checked properly. How much kms has your car run.?
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27th May 2010, 17:02	#8
scorpian BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: GOA Posts: 824 Thanked: 1,186 Times View My Garage	SMS / Slang is STRICTLY prohibited on this community. We would much appreciate your using full & proper English in posts, for the benefit of other forum users. Please view our board rules carefully before proceeding any further. ok .. @thrust, I think u will need to drill another hole and pass the cable through that,its not a big deal,just make the hole pass the cable and use sum rubber adhesive to keep the heat away.... parts rquired for the swap are... 1)type 2 brake booster assembly. 2)type 2 callipers 3)type 2 ventilated discs... 4)type 2 hubs. i got this info froma reputed tuner and have reconfirmed the same with his mechanic who does the fitment.... regards, manoj.... Last edited by GTO : 28th May 2010 at 14:44. Reason: SMS / Slang is STRICTLY prohibited on this community. We would much appreciate your using full & proper English in posts.
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27th May 2010, 17:03	#9
black12rr Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ridin earth now Posts: 1,278 Thanked: 339 Times	@thrust , please take pictures when work in process and also the parts . .
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29th May 2010, 11:20	#10
harsha.cs1 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 224 Thanked: 2 Times	Thanks Scorpian - this is useful!
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29th May 2010, 16:49	#13
Trust_In_Thrust BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 768 Thanked: 349 Times	@siralec : The Esteem type II discs are thicker than Zen's .So the Zen calliper cannot be used on those so the new calliper of Esteem type II are required . Regarding hubs I believe the PCD of the Discs is different in Esteem to those of Zen's so with type II discs you need Type II hubs.Also note that PCD of wheel/tyre is same though. Also with these items we need the 13inch rims as 12inches will be small. This is what i have been told but hope some one can confirm this.
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29th May 2010, 18:02	#14
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Tip: Use KBX (white and blue box) brake pads. The MGP pads (made by TVS-Girling) fade like crazy.
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