ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

garychopper · 2nd May 2007, 16:40

which mineral oil u guys suggest for palio Diesel. the first service is coming and I need to change it.

wolfinstein · 2nd May 2007, 17:02

Gary, Read through the post- We answered your query..!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modify...tml#post423055

theMAG · 2nd May 2007, 20:52

Ok, got the car back after paying Rs 75/- as service charge - that too for the changed oil filter.

Before-After verdict:

Before: Smooth, Very silent
After: Every letter of Smooth coated with greased lightning, Deathly silent - the Reva electric engine will have a complex once it (tries to) listen to my Swift's

In fact, I did 2 things for the 1st time on the drive back:

1. Actually rev the car past 5.5k rpm just to confirm to myself that there was an engine under the hood

2. Tried starting the car at a green signal thinking it was off - only to discover that the engine was already running.

Moral of story: Superior lubrication helps life with a grin pasted on your silly face.

swathyd · 2nd May 2007, 23:40

mag, how much did it cost, and also give oil spec.

theMAG · 3rd May 2007, 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by swathyd

mag, how much did it cost, and also give oil spec.

Swathy, here you go:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/415855-post206.html

GTO · 3rd May 2007, 09:52

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After: Every letter of Smooth coated with greased lightning, Deathly silent - the Reva electric engine will have a complex once it (tries to) listen to my Swift's

If you like it already, just wait until you complete a 1000 kms on the synthetic lubes. Then its a master class.

swathyd · 3rd May 2007, 11:40

How long does mobil sythetic oil( 5w50) lasts ?

GTO · 3rd May 2007, 14:05

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How long does mobil sythetic oil( 5w50) lasts ?

Please read the earlier posts. We recommend a change anywhere between 7500 - 10000 kms.

shazikon · 3rd May 2007, 15:00

Here is my saga of converting from Mineral oil to Synthetic oil...
My ford ikon has run 64,000 kms and always used mineral oil specified by Ford (10W30 Bharat/Mobil) this time i wanted to change to full syntetic (it had been more than 6 months since the last oil change and driven some 5000kms)and just about the same time i saw this thread and theMAGs post about Mobil 5W50. After getting directions from theMAG ( thanks to Vids for the detailed route) to get myself 4 liters of Mobil 5W50. Last Friday was the day i could leave early from office and went to JC road to buy Mobil 5W50. I bought a 4l can for 750/- per liter.
Next day went to cauvery ford to get the engine oil changed. why ford because i wanted to use Genuine ford accessories in this case the oil filter. I had the surprise of my life.. Ford policy specifies that they can change oil only during a car service and they refused to change oil with out a service appointment. I had to go up to the management level and i knew the service manager at Cauvery ford for a long time having bought my car and serviced my car at Cauvery ford for 6 years. ultimately they agreed to change oil but they refused to use the oil which i had brought. And it seems Ford also uses Mobil1 synthetic oil for customers who specifically ask for synthetic oil. I asked them to sell me the oil filter atleast so that i can get the oil change done out side - they refused to sell because the policy cannot allow them to sell any spares unless used for servicing the car. I was left with no choice but to change oil and oil filter at the ford since i was not sure of the after market oil fiters. So for the same oil (Mobil 5W50) I ended up paying Rs.75 more per liter and left me with a bad taste about ford dealerships. I am left with a 4l can of mobil1 5w50 in the trunk of my car. May be i will use it for the next oil change

Comming to performance after the oil change, i could feel the change as soon as i came out of the ford dealership. The car runs smoother and gear shifts are little more smooth. but it doesnt add up to the premium on Synthetic oils. I didnt flush my engine as i had doubts about some reviews and opinions that it may lead to leaks from un-cloggingof gaskets and seals in a high mileage car.

tsk1979 · 3rd May 2007, 15:16

I can't understand the part about "Genuin Oil filter".
Most cars use Elofic or Delphi oil filters which you can get from any good auto spares shop, with hologram etc., on the box.
What brand does ford have?

shazikon · 3rd May 2007, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

What brand does ford have?

Ford world over use motorcraft

tsk1979 · 3rd May 2007, 16:21

I think it would be available in open market?
Atleast in the US it is.
That country has a law that forbids companies from exclusively selling parts from their dealerships only. So you can get genuine parts from anywhere, but sadly, thats not the case here, the law encourages cartelisation!

shazikon · 3rd May 2007, 16:36

Thats very true.. we consumers are taken for a ride by these manufactures and there is no law to protect consumers unlike in US. and since there is no retailing..we end up paying more for the same produts

garychopper · 3rd May 2007, 17:09

can i get the shell engine oil in delhi

Jaggu · 3rd May 2007, 17:32

@shazi: goto metro ford and they will happily sell you the oil filter.

I had done this and went to my trusted ol esteem mech with a can of flushing oil and another of mobil, 30 mts and job was done.

2nd May 2007, 16:40	#256
garychopper BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: delhi/milan/brussels Posts: 43 Thanked: Once	which mineral oil u guys suggest for palio Diesel. the first service is coming and I need to change it.
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2nd May 2007, 17:02	#257
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 994 Thanked: 20 Times	Gary, Read through the post- We answered your query..! http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modify...tml#post423055
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2nd May 2007, 20:52	#258
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	Ok, got the car back after paying Rs 75/- as service charge - that too for the changed oil filter. Before-After verdict: Before: Smooth, Very silent After: Every letter of Smooth coated with greased lightning, Deathly silent - the Reva electric engine will have a complex once it (tries to) listen to my Swift's In fact, I did 2 things for the 1st time on the drive back: 1. Actually rev the car past 5.5k rpm just to confirm to myself that there was an engine under the hood 2. Tried starting the car at a green signal thinking it was off - only to discover that the engine was already running. Moral of story: Superior lubrication helps life with a grin pasted on your silly face.
	() Thanks

2nd May 2007, 23:40	#259
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 25 Times	mag, how much did it cost, and also give oil spec.
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3rd May 2007, 11:40	#262
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 25 Times	How long does mobil sythetic oil( 5w50) lasts ? Last edited by swathyd : 3rd May 2007 at 11:41. Reason: fghj
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3rd May 2007, 15:00	#264
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Here is my saga of converting from Mineral oil to Synthetic oil... My ford ikon has run 64,000 kms and always used mineral oil specified by Ford (10W30 Bharat/Mobil) this time i wanted to change to full syntetic (it had been more than 6 months since the last oil change and driven some 5000kms)and just about the same time i saw this thread and theMAGs post about Mobil 5W50. After getting directions from theMAG ( thanks to Vids for the detailed route) to get myself 4 liters of Mobil 5W50. Last Friday was the day i could leave early from office and went to JC road to buy Mobil 5W50. I bought a 4l can for 750/- per liter. Next day went to cauvery ford to get the engine oil changed. why ford because i wanted to use Genuine ford accessories in this case the oil filter. I had the surprise of my life.. Ford policy specifies that they can change oil only during a car service and they refused to change oil with out a service appointment. I had to go up to the management level and i knew the service manager at Cauvery ford for a long time having bought my car and serviced my car at Cauvery ford for 6 years. ultimately they agreed to change oil but they refused to use the oil which i had brought. And it seems Ford also uses Mobil1 synthetic oil for customers who specifically ask for synthetic oil. I asked them to sell me the oil filter atleast so that i can get the oil change done out side - they refused to sell because the policy cannot allow them to sell any spares unless used for servicing the car. I was left with no choice but to change oil and oil filter at the ford since i was not sure of the after market oil fiters. So for the same oil (Mobil 5W50) I ended up paying Rs.75 more per liter and left me with a bad taste about ford dealerships. I am left with a 4l can of mobil1 5w50 in the trunk of my car. May be i will use it for the next oil change Comming to performance after the oil change, i could feel the change as soon as i came out of the ford dealership. The car runs smoother and gear shifts are little more smooth. but it doesnt add up to the premium on Synthetic oils. I didnt flush my engine as i had doubts about some reviews and opinions that it may lead to leaks from un-cloggingof gaskets and seals in a high mileage car.
	() Thanks

3rd May 2007, 15:16	#265
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	I can't understand the part about "Genuin Oil filter". Most cars use Elofic or Delphi oil filters which you can get from any good auto spares shop, with hologram etc., on the box. What brand does ford have?
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3rd May 2007, 16:21	#267
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	I think it would be available in open market? Atleast in the US it is. That country has a law that forbids companies from exclusively selling parts from their dealerships only. So you can get genuine parts from anywhere, but sadly, thats not the case here, the law encourages cartelisation!
	() Thanks

3rd May 2007, 16:36	#268
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Thats very true.. we consumers are taken for a ride by these manufactures and there is no law to protect consumers unlike in US. and since there is no retailing..we end up paying more for the same produts
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3rd May 2007, 17:09	#269
garychopper BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: delhi/milan/brussels Posts: 43 Thanked: Once	can i get the shell engine oil in delhi
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3rd May 2007, 17:32	#270
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	@shazi: goto metro ford and they will happily sell you the oil filter. I had done this and went to my trusted ol esteem mech with a can of flushing oil and another of mobil, 30 mts and job was done.
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