Bullet Engine in the Bajaj Avenger's Frame?

arjun.r · 3rd February 2012, 20:29

Hi

I've been toying with the idea of putting a Bullet 500 engine in my Avenger 200 frame.
Not sure if it's possible or not. I know the rear wheel would change and the engine mount would have to have some modding done to accomodate it. Just want to know if anybody's tried it before.

Why?
Cos I want to mod it up to a higher cc engine. Plus the Thump sound. And paint it all black with silver/chrome highlights.

Sankar · 3rd February 2012, 21:02

Bullet engine is a wee bit taller. Try to find out the height from the bottom of the crankcase to the top of the head to see if it fits, if not you will have to make space for it by modifying the frame. Then you've got to see if the avenger frame has enough space for the bullet gearbox once the engine is in. This is a substantial mod and needs skilled labour and know how. If you got the means to do it sure go ahead.

black12rr · 3rd February 2012, 21:29

Why not buy a used 500 and it should be good ? .The cost involved will be higher than the cost of second hand 500 or even a new one . You will not know the reliablity after the mod is done.
You will be screwing up 2 different bikes .Need to take care of paper work .Is will not be legal .
Not worth it .

saargoga · 3rd February 2012, 22:04

Raceconcepts do reboring of pulsar 220 to250. That might suit your need.

Rennjit · 3rd February 2012, 22:29

hmm thats some work to do. possible? yes, it's all up to your endurance levels. Be ready to stretch, widen & loop the frame to contain the engine-g'box assy. Get a spare frame & old engine cases for mock up instead of chopping up a runner. keep us posted, cheers..

Tgo · 3rd February 2012, 23:37

The bullet chassis uses the engine as a stressed member of the bike's frame. The avenger's engine is mounted on the frame with bolts. You get what i'm saying??

If you are going to adopt the same philosophy for your avenger, that will mean chopping the frame and welding mounting points on the frame to accommodate the engine. I heavily advise against doing so. On the contrary if you want th frame to be intact then you will have to weld mounting points on the crank case of th engine which is again dangerous as you will be creating local thermally stressed spots on the engin's crank case.

In bioth the cases you will have to reinforce the chassis to bear the heavier engine and vibrations associated with it. In any case you might end up with a bike which handles poorer than a unicycle.

mayankjha1806 · 4th February 2012, 05:42

I believe what Tgo is saying is perfect, the heavier engine and the vibrations of a Bullet engine would be too much for Avenger to handle over long periods of time and eventually it will create only nightmares for you. Also welded joints are never very strong and give away after heavy use.

Why dont you consider buying a used/new Bullet instead. It will be cheaper and simpler then Cost+Pain in the mod.

arjun.r · 4th February 2012, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tgo

The bullet chassis uses the engine as a stressed member of the bike's frame. The avenger's engine is mounted on the frame with bolts. You get what i'm saying??

If you are going to adopt the same philosophy for your avenger, that will mean chopping the frame and welding mounting points on the frame to accommodate the engine. I heavily advise against doing so. On the contrary if you want th frame to be intact then you will have to weld mounting points on the crank case of th engine which is again dangerous as you will be creating local thermally stressed spots on the engin's crank case.

In bioth the cases you will have to reinforce the chassis to bear the heavier engine and vibrations associated with it. In any case you might end up with a bike which handles poorer than a unicycle.

Hi

I see what you mean... and welding anything onto that engine would look ugly, plus i'd have to figure out how to connect the other mount points on the engine which act as the Bullet's frame inside the Av frame.

So the only option is to chop up an Av frame...
the more i compare the two frames, the more difficult it seems. would be easier to mod a bullet to stretch it out.

dustom_99 · 7th March 2012, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayankjha1806

I believe what Tgo is saying is perfect, the heavier engine and the vibrations of a Bullet engine would be too much for Avenger to handle over long periods of time and eventually it will create only nightmares for you. Also welded joints are never very strong and give away after heavy use.

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I dont know what welding are you talking about, but automobiles all over the world have chassis with several welded joints. Infact almost all vehicles have there suspension brackets welded to chasis,brackets that support the whole weight of the vehicle. even the high performance motorcycles have welded joints in there swingarms for wheel axel brackets.

Its about the design of welded joint,not about the actual weld. welds are stronger than the parent metal while they are under compressive load,are pretty good under tension aswell. not so good under torsion and angular loads.
so its about how good the design of the joint is.

Anyway,engine you are thinking about is not much of an upgrade .consider that its own weight is almost 2.5-3 times the avenger motor.

either make your avenger lighter,or go for a secong hand 500.

DesertKing · 13th March 2012, 05:50

I have an Impulse and wanted to fit ZMA's 220 engine on it (no immediate plan though). What is your opinion on this modification.

dustom_99 · 13th March 2012, 12:09

I m sorry my frd.i have no idea about engine specs and there curves for either of these two bikes. If you are looking for an offroading bike-front forks are the key. Try better and wider (wider steering stem) forks with higher damping and longer travel.you can experiment with fork oil density, mixing a few and coming up with your own blend. If you can find rd350 motor that would be great with a bigger rear sprocket.

DudeWithaFiat · 9th May 2014, 18:03

Bumping up an old thread.

I've been toying with the idea of increasing the height of my Avenger. I have already put Pulsar 220 shocks in the rear and the height has increased by 2" or so. Has anyone upsized the rear rim from 15" to 17"or 18" on an avenger? How about using Enfield's rear and front rims on the Avenger?

3rd February 2012, 20:29	#1
arjun.r BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Delhi Posts: 29 Thanked: 3 Times	Bullet Engine in the Bajaj Avenger's Frame? Hi I've been toying with the idea of putting a Bullet 500 engine in my Avenger 200 frame. Not sure if it's possible or not. I know the rear wheel would change and the engine mount would have to have some modding done to accomodate it. Just want to know if anybody's tried it before. Why? Cos I want to mod it up to a higher cc engine. Plus the Thump sound. And paint it all black with silver/chrome highlights.
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3rd February 2012, 21:02	#2
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,053 Times	Re: Bullet Engine in Avenger Frame Bullet engine is a wee bit taller. Try to find out the height from the bottom of the crankcase to the top of the head to see if it fits, if not you will have to make space for it by modifying the frame. Then you've got to see if the avenger frame has enough space for the bullet gearbox once the engine is in. This is a substantial mod and needs skilled labour and know how. If you got the means to do it sure go ahead.
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3rd February 2012, 21:29	#3
black12rr Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ridin earth now Posts: 1,278 Thanked: 339 Times	Re: Bullet Engine in Avenger Frame Why not buy a used 500 and it should be good ? .The cost involved will be higher than the cost of second hand 500 or even a new one . You will not know the reliablity after the mod is done. You will be screwing up 2 different bikes .Need to take care of paper work .Is will not be legal . Not worth it .
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3rd February 2012, 22:04	#4
saargoga BHPian Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dehradun Posts: 76 Thanked: 61 Times	Raceconcepts do reboring of pulsar 220 to250. That might suit your need.
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3rd February 2012, 22:29	#5
Rennjit BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Namma Bangalore Posts: 668 Thanked: 166 Times	Re: Bullet Engine in Avenger Frame hmm thats some work to do. possible? yes, it's all up to your endurance levels. Be ready to stretch, widen & loop the frame to contain the engine-g'box assy. Get a spare frame & old engine cases for mock up instead of chopping up a runner. keep us posted, cheers..
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3rd February 2012, 23:37	#6
Tgo Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Calgary\|Jaipur Posts: 1,289 Thanked: 3,789 Times View My Garage	Re: Bullet Engine in Avenger Frame The bullet chassis uses the engine as a stressed member of the bike's frame. The avenger's engine is mounted on the frame with bolts. You get what i'm saying?? If you are going to adopt the same philosophy for your avenger, that will mean chopping the frame and welding mounting points on the frame to accommodate the engine. I heavily advise against doing so. On the contrary if you want th frame to be intact then you will have to weld mounting points on the crank case of th engine which is again dangerous as you will be creating local thermally stressed spots on the engin's crank case. In bioth the cases you will have to reinforce the chassis to bear the heavier engine and vibrations associated with it. In any case you might end up with a bike which handles poorer than a unicycle.
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4th February 2012, 05:42	#7
mayankjha1806 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,160 Thanked: 978 Times View My Garage	Re: Bullet Engine in Avenger Frame I believe what Tgo is saying is perfect, the heavier engine and the vibrations of a Bullet engine would be too much for Avenger to handle over long periods of time and eventually it will create only nightmares for you. Also welded joints are never very strong and give away after heavy use. Why dont you consider buying a used/new Bullet instead. It will be cheaper and simpler then Cost+Pain in the mod.
	() Thanks

13th March 2012, 05:50	#10
DesertKing BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jodhpur, Rajasthan Posts: 463 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Re: Bullet Engine in the Bajaj Avenger's Frame? I have an Impulse and wanted to fit ZMA's 220 engine on it (no immediate plan though). What is your opinion on this modification.
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13th March 2012, 12:09	#11
dustom_99 BANNED Join Date: May 2009 Location: haridwar Posts: 588 Thanked: 450 Times View My Garage	I m sorry my frd.i have no idea about engine specs and there curves for either of these two bikes. If you are looking for an offroading bike-front forks are the key. Try better and wider (wider steering stem) forks with higher damping and longer travel.you can experiment with fork oil density, mixing a few and coming up with your own blend. If you can find rd350 motor that would be great with a bigger rear sprocket.
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9th May 2014, 18:03	#12
DudeWithaFiat BHPian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Trivandrm/Kochi Posts: 473 Thanked: 877 Times View My Garage	Re: Bullet Engine in the Bajaj Avenger's Frame? Bumping up an old thread. I've been toying with the idea of increasing the height of my Avenger. I have already put Pulsar 220 shocks in the rear and the height has increased by 2" or so. Has anyone upsized the rear rim from 15" to 17"or 18" on an avenger? How about using Enfield's rear and front rims on the Avenger?
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