[ashkamath]

Originally Posted by junaid12345678

Yes, the Black 390 comes only with black handguards. How is it possible that the Bajaj guys are unaware of the same?

I was at the KTM A.S.S. for my 390 chain tightening and lubing and inquired casually the incharge guy there about 690. and he asked "what 690? does KTM have a 690 too?" So I had to educate him about the bike and again he inquired " is it a single engine or twin engine"?? and I replied " it is a single engine and bike is very much similar to the present 390 but with a Exhaust jutting out and the bike would probably weigh another 10-15 Kg more and about 67BHP, but would look almost identical to the 390" and he was like horrified " single engine and 67 BHP
so the Bajaj Guys / KTM guys in my opinion are not aware of what is happening around at KTM or their plans for India. May be they just keep themselves to their showroom / workshop and not really enthusiastic/informed like some amongst us who dig deep. I reckon perhaps T-BHP has more data / info on KTM over the actual guys who run the show at showroom / service centers.
Regarding the black knuckle guard. I think it is just a paint job. Paint it what ever color you really fancy. from pink to green to black.Personally I don't give more than a cursory thought to it.

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by junaid12345678

Yes, the Black 390 comes only with black handguards. How is it possible that the Bajaj guys are unaware of the same?

Not what I have been told. They briefly tried all black, but found that the black white contrast one looked better so reverted back to black and white (like for the white 390).

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by ebonho

Your used 390 idea is good. Exactly what I am suggesting a friend to do with a used 200 in place of his Lightning 500 which he plans to sell.

How much do used 200 cost these days? Wrong thread I know, but was wondering if I can get something cheap and modify the heck out of it to tour.

Is there a thread for 200/390 modifications? We probably need something dedicated, if not.

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

How much do used 200 cost these days? Wrong thread I know, but was wondering if I can get something cheap and modify the heck out of it to tour.

Is there a thread for 200/390 modifications? We probably need something dedicated, if not.

Anywhere from as low as 80-90 to as high as 1.1-1.2, depending on the running and the condition.

A used 200 still pulls a premium over a brand new NS, for those who know the bikes.

[VedderTheFixer]

Are we expecting a price hike for the black 390s? Dropped in at the showroom yesterday to check when i would be getting the bike & the manager hinted at a hike in price.

[slalom]

http://www.rushlane.com/ktm-rc390-in...-12106319.html

[ashkamath]

OK Guys, all those who attended the MMSC track day, please post some photos and share with us your experience and learning. I am sure all of you learnt a thing or two and came out a better rider after the event.

[preetam_KORG]

Originally Posted by ebonho

A used 200 still pulls a premium over a brand new NS, for those who know the bikes.

Agreed.
But a used NS also depreciates much lesser than a used Duke, percentage wise.

Example:
My friend was offered 92000 INR for his pristinely maintained year old 200NS which has done 26500 kms. OTR, when he had bought, was 100915. That comes to about 9% depreciation YOY.
Note: He didn't want to sell, just wanted to check prices in the market.

A similarly maintained Duke 200, which costed about 1.37 Lakhs at around the same time, done roughly about the same distance as per the ODO, goes for about 1.05-1.10 lakhs. This is also from personal experience, was looking to pick up an used duke sometime back. So thats about 20% depreciation YOY.

The previous comparison says nothing other than the fact that the duke depreciates faster than the NS.

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by preetam_KORG

Agreed.
But a used NS also depreciates much lesser than a used Duke, percentage wise.

Example:
My friend was offered 92000 INR for his pristinely maintained year old 200NS which has done 26500 kms. OTR, when he had bought, was 100915. That comes to about 9% depreciation YOY.
Note: He didn't want to sell, just wanted to check prices in the market.

A similarly maintained Duke 200, which costed about 1.37 Lakhs at around the same time, done roughly about the same distance as per the ODO, goes for about 1.05-1.10 lakhs. This is also from personal experience, was looking to pick up an used duke sometime back. So thats about 20% depreciation YOY.

The previous comparison says nothing other than the fact that the duke depreciates faster than the NS.

Completely agree to a very pertinent point you've made. And I suspect you also know WHY this trend started.

The market was destroyed basically by 200 guys dumping their bikes on the market for the 390.

As a community, one needs to learn from the Ninja 250 community on how to maintain the resale price of their bikes. Agreed there is a difference in numbers, but some of the credit has to be given to the resilience (and staying power) of the owners when coming on to the market.

Not enough NS's dumped in comparison. Because probably, the gulf in price as well as most (unlike you) having made the decision not to go for a KTM, so 200 or 390 wasn't going to affect that - not this early.

[CARDEEP]

Posting pic of KTM RC390 in warpaint lifted from KTM RC390 India Facebook Page, also referred to by @slalom above by reference to Rushlane article in his post:

[preetam_KORG]

Originally Posted by ebonho

And I suspect you also know WHY this trend started.

The market was destroyed basically by 200 guys dumping their bikes on the market for the 390.

Not enough NS's dumped in comparison.

Very well put Doc!

Also another reason maybe the buying power of the clientele who buys these two products.

The NS is a VFM product, generally opted by people who already stretched their budgets to get the bike. Most people who have the NS are ones who were probably looking for a smaller bike and the NS being available, could not settle for anything less, and in the process got much more than what they wanted. Also, point to be noted is that a lot more people use the NS as a daily ride in comparo to the Duke 200 owners.

However people who bought the Duke 200, were buying a premium product complete with all the bells and whistles. FI, Inverted Front Shocks, WP suspension, a little more power and the lot. Thus when the 390 came out, the price commanded over the existing performance on their hands pretty much doubled, at a small tradeoff. Also since, the people who started scrapping the the Duke 200, were mostly fun weekend riders, welcomed the extra power on tap.

Note: This is slowly becoming an MBA Case study!

[Akhilash95]

Originally Posted by CARDEEP

Posting pic of KTM RC390 in warpaint lifted from KTM RC390 India Facebook Page, also referred to by @slalom above by reference to Rushlane article in his post:

Hope the RVM are functional atleast int the RC unlike their duke counterparts which has RVM usable only by extremely thin riders.
Rear seat again looks like another dud that is unusable like the R15 v2 . Wonder why they didn't simple make a huge single ala the front seat of Ducati diavel or may be I am asking too much *stupid*

[sridhu]

Couple of Qs/ Requests:
- Anybody not using their hand guards? I am willing it to buy it off you.
- Anybody know if the Bullet Continental GT bar-end mirrors will fit on the 390? Looks very cool. BTW, will they interfere with the hand guards?

[man_of_steel]

Originally Posted by ashkamath

OK Guys, all those who attended the MMSC track day, please post some photos and share with us your experience and learning. I am sure all of you learnt a thing or two and came out a better rider after the event.

Just came back to Blore from the event. Little short of time now so let the pictures do the talking. I will post the personal experience soon. But in short the event was extremely well organised with absolutely no hiccups. Hats off to KTM and Apex Racing Academy for organising this event so perfectly. And we got close to 2 hrs of track time and good guidance.

Posting couple of photos I have..

This was pretty much the condition of almost all the Metzelers at the end of the day.


This dragging foot peg syndrome came with me from my ex-TBTS. Although I enjoyed it to the core every bit, I was doing it wrong!



More on it later.

[GreaseMonk]

It looks like Race Dynamics has officially released the PowerTronic piggyback ECU for the 390.
Source: http://racedynamics.in/powertronic-ktm-duke-390/

Some points from the site:

Fuel calibration : +/- 200% (0.1% resolution)
Ignition control – Advance and Retard :+/- 25 degrees (1° Resolution)
Extendable Rev-limit
Plug-in OEM Connectors
Downloadable maps
Access to R-Tune windows based tuning software

Power increases are noticeable from as low as 4000rpm with a 2HP Increase through the entire powerband. The bike continues to hold power upto the increased rev-limit(11,300rpm) allowing later up-shifts bringing the bike right back into the powerband. We anticipate good top-end power gains with a less restrictive intake and exhaust setup.

Significant torque gains as well for a stock bike, nearly 10% increase in wheel torque between 5000-8000 rpm making the already good midrange on this bike even better.

PowerTRONIC retails at Rs 15,000/- inclusive of a 1 year replacement warranty.

One point I was confused about with their power\torque charts though is why their stock figures are cut off at around 8800 - 9200 RPM? Doesn't the stock bike redline at around 10,500 RPM? Shouldn't a dyno be able to measure all the way upto this point?