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Originally Posted by Silverflash Is Stefan Bradl Helmut Bradl's son? |
Yes, he is. I didn't know his lineage actually ! He's a fast rider, but performance varies quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by Sheel Can you please pinpoint the race & the year where J Lo has beaten Rossi on 1-1? |
Fanboy detected !
No offence/disrespect to Rossi or any other rider, but I have been watching MotoGP fairly regularly since late 2010, and a little earlier , so I have watched most if not all races from 2010 and have seen the VR-JL results where JL outshone VR often.
OK, so let's tally up VR and JL races in the period they've both been in Moto GP. Lorenzo began his first Moto GP season in 2008 and crashed all too often. 2009 was better, but still crashing quite bit.
Even if you ignore the Ducati era, VR's results haven't been like his former self until 2009. And he was with the same factory Yamaha in 2008-10 , and 2013-14 seasons, so in a 7 year side-by-side tally, Rossi has been at Ducati only 2 years.
And lest you say Rossi's performance has dropped as a result of severe crashes, the same is true of Lorenzo (and Dani and Stoner, et al). Lorenzo's 2008 season was one crash-fest ; and he's has several bone-breakers, even lost a fingertip as a result of a crash.
So here goes :
MT - Makoto Tamada pre-2012
MB - Max Biaggi
CV - Chris Vermulen
MM - Marco Melandri
LC - Loris Capirossi
SG - Sete Gibernau
NH - Nicky Hayden
VR - Valentino Rossi
CS - Casey Stoner
DP - Dani Pedrosa
JL - Jorge Lorenzo
MM - Marc Marquez
Dani Pedrosa : 2006-14 HRC
Vale Rossi : 2004-2010 Yamaha , 2011-12 Ducati , 2013-14 Yamaha
Casey Stoner : 2007-2010 Ducati , 2011-12 HRC
Jorge Lorenzo : 2008-2014 Yamaha
Race wins from 2008 ( with a + n for 2007 added)
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2004 : VR 9 , SG 4 , MT 2
2005 : VR 10, LC 2 , MM 2 , NH 1
2006 : VR 5 , LC 3 , MM 3 , DP 2 --- no CS or JL
2007 : VR 4 , CV 1 , CS 10 , DP 2 --- no JL yet
2008 : VR 9 , JL 1 , CS 6 , DP 2
2009 : VR 6 , JL 4 , CS 4 , DP 2
2010 : VR 2 , JL 9 , CS 3 , DP 4
2011 : VR 0 , JL 3 , CS 10 , DP 3
2012 : VR 0 , JL 6 , CS 5 , DP 7
2013 : VR 1 , JL 8 , MM 6 , DP 3
2014 : VR 2 , JL 2 , MM 12 , DP 1
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VR 20+4, JL 33 , CS 28+10 ,DP 22+4 , MM 18
Fastest laps from 2008
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2004 : VR 3 , SG 3 , MB 3 , MT 3
2005 : VR 6 , LC 1 , MM 3 , NH 2
2006 : VR 4 , LC 5 , DP 4 , NH 2
2007 : VR 3 , ---- , DP 3 , CS 6
2008 : VR 5 , JL 1 , DP 2 , CS 9
2009 : VR 6 , JL 4 , DP 5 , CS 2
2010 : VR 2 , JL 4 , DP 8 , CS 3
2011 : VR 1 , JL 2 , DP 4 , CS 7
2012 : VR 1 , JL 5 , DP 5 , CS 2
2013 : VR 1 , JL 2 , DP 4 , MM 11
2014 : VR 1 , JL 2 , DP 2 , MM 11
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VR 17, JL 20, DP 30, CS 23 , MM 22
Poles from 2008
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2004 : VR 5 , SG 5 , MT 3 , MB 1
2005 : VR 5 , SG 5 , LC 3 , NH 3
2006 : VR 5 , LC 2 , DP 4 , CV 2
2007 : VR 4 , ---- , DP 5 , CS 5
2008 : VR 2 , JL 4 , DP 2 , CS 9
2009 : VR 7 , JL 5 , DP 2 , CS 3
2010 : VR 1 , JL 7 , DP 4 , CS 4
2011 : VR 0 , JL 2 , DP 2 , CS 12
2012 : VR 0 , JL 7 , DP 5 , CS 5
2013 : VR 0 , JL 4 , DP 2 , MM 9
2014 : VR 0 , JL 1 , DP 1 , MM 13
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VR 10, JL 30, DP 18, CS 33, MM 22
Based on the race wins, fastest laps and poles (indicates outright ability on that bike) , I'd say Lorenzo is easily an equal of Rossi in the form he's been at since 2009. JL has gotten better and more consistent over time, and though Rossi's form has improved since 2013, it's yet to be seen if he can keep at it.
I feel, there's a personal stake in many of us to see Rossi win - the old guy, who we identify with being is about the same age
, so it's living vicariously through watching Rossi win against younger rivals, as a vindication of our own 30-something selves that we've still got it in us , our mojo ?
And once you tally the figures, what Marquez has achieved in 2 years, is astonishing. Personally, before the Marquez era , I'd put Stoner as the most talented rider but not consistent.