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Old 6th November 2017, 09:40   #256
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Overheard on a flight to London
5+ on road.
Dealers chatting on their way to the unveiling.
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Some inside pictures of the twin.

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Overheard on a flight to London
5+ on road.
Dealers chatting on their way to the unveiling.
Even Schumi says the pricing will be in that range in the video. That will be greedy pricing IMHO. Anything below 3.5 lakhs Ex. should be very good. But looks like that is wishful thinking now.
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Overheard on a flight to London
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Dealers chatting on their way to the unveiling.
I really would not mind that price if it came with quality and reliability. Sadly looking at RE history, that is a distant dream.
With this pricing, it looks like they are targeting the retro craze in developed countries rather than the upgrade market in India.
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Well, I can say that I am interested. I suppose the power figure is in tune with the company's retro design. The Triumph Bonneville T120 from 50 years ago made just about exactly the same power with a 650cc unit-construction engine, though the Yamaha XS650 from the same time period made more.

Slightly disappointed, seeing that my Duke 390 with it's higher power-to-weight ratio would probably be quicker (at least in acceleration). But, the fact that it's short-stroke and still makes more than sufficient power for highway cruising may just be enough to make me consider buying an Enfield again.
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Even Schumi says the pricing will be in that range in the video. That will be greedy pricing IMHO. Anything below 3.5 lakhs Ex. should be very good. But looks like that is wishful thinking now..
5L is greedy. 3.5L is the opposite of greedy. May be charitable?.

Imagination:- RE Price discussion

We should aggressively price it and sell it at 3.5. But we will loose all 500 sale and we need to stop the entire 500 line.

We should price it as much as any 650 or HD750 in the market. So 500's will continue to sell and enthusiast few would buy the 650 and by the way Show me a 650 cc that is less than 5L in the market.

Lets balance and make it 5L on road for this 650. Keeps 500 away from being sabotaged while giving an edge over competition.

This is my take
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Old 6th November 2017, 12:10   #262
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Guess what just arrived in my mailbox from the RE PR

IMHO this one looks better than the one in the engine unveil, better finished, with the cooling unit prominent.

EDIT: Just noticed that I had missed out on this. Explode view of the engine to reveal components
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Old 6th November 2017, 12:10   #263
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Well, 500 cc line-up of RE is not doing stellar numbers anyway. And even if it were, I don't think a prospective 500 cc buyer would spend 1.5L over the 500s to buy the 650cc twin. 3.5L is about 80% more than what one pays for the 500 cc single. So cannibalization would probably not be what would influence the pricing of the new twin cylinder models.
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Well, 500 cc line-up of RE is not doing stellar numbers anyway.


I have yet to meet the owner of a 500cc Enfield that was happy with their experience (and who actually regularly rides). Literally every one I know (including myself) who bought a 500 was plagued with endless problems, even by RE standards.

The only exception to this were the guys who had the EFI replaced with a carb, and they claim it was problem-free after that.

I personally never bothered with the carb conversion, by the time that was an option I was fed up of the hole my Thunderbird was burning in my pocket and I switched to a KTM.
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While I still believe price of 3.5 lakh is probably wishing for too-much, 5 lakh and above is probably too ambitious. At the price-point of 2 lakh, there isn't anything as manly (sorry for that) as RE and which is why it sells. However, those willing to spend 5 lakh are looking are certainly looking for more than poser value (sorry for that, again).

Honestly, I was expecting more power and with the numbers out, I am guessing 4 lakh ex-showroom would be the sweet-spot for RE to start with.
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5L is greedy. 3.5L is the opposite of greedy. May be charitable?.

Imagination:- RE Price discussion

We should aggressively price it and sell it at 3.5. But we will loose all 500 sale and we need to stop the entire 500 line.
How 3.5L would be charity?? 500 CC is 2L ex and 350 CC is 1.5L ex. What difference is this new one going to have over 500CC apart from engine and ABS? For a person looking for 500CC a 50% stretch in the budget is still a huge one(if at all he decides to upgrade to 750CC).
I feel 3.5L ex is still on the higher side. I would hope for a price around 3L ex.

As for other 750CC bikes on the market, they are all CKD units except for Harley Street? And Harley is milking on their brand?
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4 lakhs On road and yes, I see some units moving off the shop floor. Anything more than that, and the loan EMI component might not be too big a difference to split hairs on to move up to a proper Jap or Brit.

That said, used well maintained bonnie's are going for about 5L now. So if RE prices this on road closer to something that can fetch you a used bonnie, then RE's asking for trouble.

Used Bonnie info from Nasir Kaka in one of our conversations.
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I guess its time to change the Thread heading, a SE had told me 2 months back that it will be a 650cc Continental GT, but i took him lightly thinking he didnt know that it will be a 750cc

5L+ ? Bit too steep for a RE, especially when we know they will experiment it on the first batch of buyers !! My bet is on sub 3L
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Got some insight from a friend working at a senior position with EM, it shall be a 650, close to 51 Nm, 40-45 odd HP. Pricing b/w 2.5 - 3, which I really doubt looking at the chrome pricing. Launch no earlier than either close of FY or start of FY 19.
So this was spot on with regards to the specs. Now just hoping that the pricing bit would be close to target too

And I wonder, when RE have gone all out on the engine development, why choose to stick to a an extremely similar looking bike... Especially a bike that has been around for a few years now, and is not exactly a sales success either. They could have gone that extra distance to make a fresher looking bike, something like the Triumph Thurxton for example.
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Good to see Indian brands growing up. Got to Laud Siddhartha Lal and his team for bringing RE to this stage. Wish RE improved the quality of it's lineup. The 650 looks very promising. Hope RE doesn't screw up in terms of quality.
PS- I heard from the OD video that the alternator is super powerful to handle additional electrical load.
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They could have gone that extra distance to make a fresher looking bike, something like the Triumph Thurxton for example.
I would have been happy if they could have brought out the Interceptor as it is.

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